Siamese and Blues??

[Diamond Serpents]

I heard that Siamese and Blues have complications with birth and often die giving birth or struggle with fertility issues. Is this true, and where can I read about this?

I couldn't find anything on here and heard it from word of mouth. Any expert knowledge would be appreciated since im starting out with both of these two patterns.

[DooLittle]

I have blues that do fine. I have one now that is mothering hers and another litter that is about a week older, because their black and white momma wont take care of them. I had a siamese that bred ok, but was a complete monster when she had babies. Would come flying out of anywhere to bite the crap out of you. I fed her off. One of her sons just threw me a siamese female. I'm gonna hang onto her and see what happens.

[satomi325]

I have Russian Blues, American Blues, and Pink Eyed Siamese. They all breed fine.

However, I've had some random die offs from blues over the years. And only the blues. All tub mates, non blue siblings/relatives are 100% healthy and fine. It was really strange. And the individuals who died weren't old(a year old or younger) or never showed any issues prior to death. And maybe its just a coincidence and not really correlated with being blue, but all the random deaths I've personally had were blues and only blues.

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[Diamond Serpents]

I have blues that do fine. I have one now that is mothering hers and another litter that is about a week older, because their black and white momma wont take care of them. I had a siamese that bred ok, but was a complete monster when she had babies. Would come flying out of anywhere to bite the crap out of you. I fed her off. One of her sons just threw me a siamese female. I'm gonna hang onto her and see what happens.

That's weird about the blue not talking care of her babies because of the colors. Is this commin in the blues? I I have American blues if this makes a difference.

As far as the Siamese the only reading I could find on them was that when they was imported to America.

Pet shops couldn't keep up with supply and demand and bred them to any pattern. It ruined the true Siamese and then pet shops quit carrying them because they became super aggressive.

[DooLittle]

No, my blue is raising her litter and another. Its a different mom thats not doing a good momma job. I don't know that it has anything to do with color.

[Diamond Serpents]

I have Russian Blues, American Blues, and Pink Eyed Siamese. They all breed fine.

However, I've had some random die offs from blues over the years. And only the blues. All tub mates, non blue siblings/relatives are 100% healthy and fine. It was really strange. And the individuals who died weren't old(a year old or younger) or never showed any issues prior to death. And maybe its just a coincidence and not really correlated with being blue, but all the random deaths I've personally had were blues and only blues.

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Thanks for the information. Have you noticed or could you say that Siamese are aggressive? I rather get tagged by my snakes then a rat. Not that I'm scared but I rather get tagged and who on earth wants to deal with a moody rat because of the pattern.

Any one else with information about these two breeds of rats would be appreciated.

[Diamond Serpents]

No, my blue is raising her litter and another. Its a different mom thats not doing a good momma job. I don't know that it has anything to do with color.

O ok I got you miss read sorry. Here is the article I was actually reading about Siamese being a aggressive breed.

I was glad you mentioned about yours it's very interesting the info I was talking about is at the very bottom.

http://www.afrma.org/siameserat.htm.

[wilomn]

I breed both blues and siamese. I don't have any aggression issues or nursing problems, but I do have more blues, solid, hooded, any blue at all, that get inner ear infections and have respiratory problems. I produce a LOT of rats and it is the blues that have these problems the most. I rarely see it until they're 3 to 4 months old. My vet told me that the immunity the get from nursing carries on until about the 3 to 4 month range and that's why it shows up then. I used to treat with tetracycline, now they're just feeders when that happens. My hairless are the same way, just genetically weaker I'm thinking. All of my blues and siamese are gentle, all my rats in general are. But, I've been culling any aggressive adults for years.

[satomi325]

Hmm now that Wilomn mentioned it, two american blues that I had(but did not breed. They weren't related to my stock), suffered inner ear problems. When I found them dead, there was blood pooling out of their ears. At the time, I just wrote it off as them getting in a fight....

And no to the Siamese being aggressive. All of mine are sweethearts. My favorite rats are all Siamese because they are so social and gentle.





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[Diamond Serpents]

Thanks for all the helpful information guys. I've decided that I am going to work with these two genes since there is no scientific information on problems with these two.