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    Patternless?

    Has that proven out? I know I saw pics on RDR but nothing else or saying anything about it being proven.
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    Re: Patternless?

    VPI has proven it recessive. They have visuals and hets available for sale if you're so inclined.
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    it is listed:

    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/patternless/

    But not in any combo so far, at least not on WOBP.

    i would go for genetic stripe instead, it also is recessive and will obliterate any pattern you throw at it, except that it forms a dorsal stripe. Genetic stripe appears genetically healthy, no reports of any morph-related defects to my knowledge.

    Or champagne, codominant or dominant, also obliterates the pattern nicely, but you cannot combine champagne with spider and some champagnes do have spider-like wobble, also super champagne is not viable. It will obliterate any pattern more or less, with high variability within the clutch.

    Two other risky but possible ways to destroy any pattern are super cinnamon and super black pastel. Nice examples exist, but too often you get spinal issues or eye issues, and very often you get duckbill / skull deformity. i would avoid them.

    Mahogany is quite an expensive codominant gene, its a darkener and works much like cinnamon or black pastel, but the super mahogany is completely healthy (as far as we know). The super mahogany also obliterates the pattern completely, but there is no duckbill or any other issues reported so far, which sets it apart from cinnamon and black pastel.



    I dont think this "patternless" will turn into a game-changer, because i think similar results can be archieved by other means, like using champagne or super mahogany or genetic stripe. Especially mahogany is interesting, its a codominant darkener with a pattern-obliterating super form without any known genetic issues. Patternless recessive will have to compete with this codominant gene.

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    Re: Patternless?

    I was just interested to know if it had been proven. I think it would look great as an albino or lav albino though. Maybe even pied.
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    Re: Patternless?

    when i look at the pictures of it i would preliminarily think it is proven, but i would like more data. Anyway i would say its 95% proven. I would wait a bit longer, or, no, i would instead get GHI or mahogany, hypothetically speaking. And really, is it better than genetic stripe, really?

    its new and very new and so on, but is it hot? I would go for GHI or banana / coral glow instead. Or bamboo, bamboo is a really super hot morph.

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    Re: Patternless?

    I was just reading and noticed that VPI hatched one in 2002 so 11 years old is not exactly new. Until crosses have been made I am not going to say if it eats other mutations. Anything that is just a pattern mutation most likely will not look all that great but color mutations could look really good. I for one am excited to see what happens with it.
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