New Morphs ??

[MaxT815]

I have a question/slash rant because this situation is getting quite annoying. To me at least. I keep seeing new morphs pop up, on Worldofballpythons.com, Kingsnake, just wherever, point is some of these "new" morphs, look and do the same exact thing as other "old" morphs. I guess I just dont understand how so many "new" morphs can pop up almnost daily, or how someone can distinguish these "new" morphs when most, MOST, look almost identical to already existing morphs. I mean i guess im just ranting but i kind of feel like the situation is getting out of hand. I dont know, ill end this post i was just curious if this was just me or do some these new morphs look like they already exist. The new Brite Ball...?? was just added to the "big morph list", uhhhh...? the pictures they have posted look like four entirley different snakes. I dont know. Just frustrating i guess. I feel like people or organizations are getting credit for new morphs, but how can one possibly distinguish some of these different genes, especially just by most standards are looking at them with their eyes. Not like anybody is doing genetics research in their basement to distinguish these new morphs. Some yes obviously are very easily distinguishable, but ive seen literally about 6 different colors of ghost, that all dont look different from eachother at all. Anybody feeling this?

[threezero]

some co dom morphs may look the same but have totally different super forms and interact different when breed to the same morph. there are alot of base morphs that are meh by themselves but can put out amazing combos.

[BCBallPythons]

I have a question/slash rant because this situation is getting quite annoying. To me at least. I keep seeing new morphs pop up, on Worldofballpythons.com, Kingsnake, just wherever, point is some of these "new" morphs, look and do the same exact thing as other "old" morphs. I guess I just dont understand how so many "new" morphs can pop up almnost daily, or how someone can distinguish these "new" morphs when most, MOST, look almost identical to already existing morphs. I mean i guess im just ranting but i kind of feel like the situation is getting out of hand. I dont know, ill end this post i was just curious if this was just me or do some these new morphs look like they already exist. The new Brite Ball...?? was just added to the "big morph list", uhhhh...? the pictures they have posted look like four entirley different snakes. I dont know. Just frustrating i guess. I feel like people or organizations are getting credit for new morphs, but how can one possibly distinguish some of these different genes, especially just by most standards are looking at them with their eyes. Not like anybody is doing genetics research in their basement to distinguish these new morphs. Some yes obviously are very easily distinguishable, but ive seen literally about 6 different colors of ghost, that all dont look different from eachother at all. Anybody feeling this?

Not quite..... The only thing im going to say is, about the Ghosts.... The reason there is so many types of hypomelenistic or Hypo snakes is because most have been proven NOT to be compatible with eachother. If we just called all of them Hypo without distiguishing by using Orange, Green etc.. that would just cause confusion beyond belief! Theres a good reason for doing it.

-Ross


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[Pythonfriend]

yes, especially the different ghost lines are a mess, but it cannot be helped.

People buy two ghosts, breed them together, and produce a clutch of normal-looking double hets. which means you have two ghost lines that are incompatible, not allelic, not on the same chromosome, call it however you want, and if you want to avoid first-time breeders getting normal-looking clutches of double hets, you need to give the different lines different names.

and yes, often its the super-form that looks different, or certain combinations with base morphs.

if two genes really are the same, it proves out and becomes apparent after a while. like lesser = butter , coral glow = banana, mystic = phantom, yellowbelly = goblin.

New morphs face quite a bit of resistance before they get accepted as such.

[Mike41793]

yes, especially the different ghost lines are a mess, but it cannot be helped.

People buy two ghosts, breed them together, and produce a clutch of normal-looking double hets. which means you have two ghost lines that are incompatible, not allelic, not on the same chromosome, call it however you want, and if you want to avoid first-time breeders getting normal-looking clutches of double hets, you need to give the different lines different names.

I don't think this really happens that often. Almost all of the lines of ghosts are compatible. The only one that I know of that isn't is the GCR line.

[Shewter325]

Phantoms and mystics are considerably different in my experience, as separate base morphs. Also because they are on the higher end of the Bel spectrum, they aren't as common place as some of the others. Thus making it easier to keep the lines separate. For example go on KS and find any mystic ad. Then go to Ralph Davis' website and look at phantoms and it is night and day. Lesser and butter on the other hand are so mixed and crossed that i dont believe there is a difference anymore.

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[interloc]

I'm convinced the bright ball is a fire. I mean come on. Look at it! Head stamp, color, pattern. It's all there. Breed the darn thing to a fire, if it makes a black eyed lucy, IT'S A FIRE. Now if its from an African import you can call it (insert whatever name here) line fire. That's fine. But don't go calling it something else because you want this special thing. It's a fire.

[Mike41793]

I'm convinced the bright ball is a fire. I mean come on. Look at it! Head stamp, color, pattern. It's all there. Breed the darn thing to a fire, if it makes a black eyed lucy, IT'S A FIRE. Now if its from an African import you can call it (insert whatever name here) line fire. That's fine. But don't go calling it something else because you want this special thing. It's a fire.

x2. Its just a nice reduced fire. Its like amir's line of "flame". That is a fire, im convinced until proven otherwise. That's how ball python breeding should work with genes or dinkers or whatever. This is my "fire" until proven otherwise. Not, "hey guys i just imported this its my new morph its nothing like any other morph i call it... The BRITE BALL!"

[Pythonfriend]

Phantoms and mystics are considerably different in my experience, as separate base morphs. Also because they are on the higher end of the Bel spectrum, they aren't as common place as some of the others. Thus making it easier to keep the lines separate. For example go on KS and find any mystic ad. Then go to Ralph Davis' website and look at phantoms and it is night and day. Lesser and butter on the other hand are so mixed and crossed that i dont believe there is a difference anymore.

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the mystic/phantom base morph is very variable, just like normal BPs are. Fortunately, when deciding if its the same gene, we dont have to look at the base form, we have better options. supers and multi-gene morphs tell us far more.

super mystic looks like super phantom looks like phantom mystic. superphantom mystic or phantom supermystic do not exist.

Purple passion (phantom mojave) looks like mystic potion (mystic mojave).

Karma (lesser phantom) looks like karma 2 (butter phantom), and if you combine butter or lesser with mystic, you get the same high-white blue eye lucy.

the same holds true for all other combos. you can change any morph by simply line-breeding to selected normals. When people combine morphs to make a triple gene, it gets mixed up, also this is where different morphs really exhibit their differences. differences must show in combos or supers, with consistency, or i say its the same morph.

so, mystic = phantom. two names, one thing.

[Shewter325]

the mystic/phantom base morph is very variable, just like normal BPs are. Fortunately, when deciding if its the same gene, we dont have to look at the base form, we have better options. supers and multi-gene morphs tell us far more.

super mystic looks like super phantom looks like phantom mystic. superphantom mystic or phantom supermystic do not exist.

Purple passion (phantom mojave) looks like mystic potion (mystic mojave).

Karma (lesser phantom) looks like karma 2 (butter phantom), and if you combine butter or lesser with mystic, you get the same high-white blue eye lucy.

the same holds true for all other combos. you can change any morph by simply line-breeding to selected normals. When people combine morphs to make a triple gene, it gets mixed up, also this is where different morphs really exhibit their differences. differences must show in combos or supers, with consistency, or i say its the same morph.

so, mystic = phantom. two names, one thing.

I agree in principle, but I wasn't saying in combos. Yeah they react the same when you breed them to other morphs theoretically. In my opinion they look quite a bit different as individual base morphs. Phantoms are tons darker with more flames and blushing. Mystics resemble more of the Het Russo and the Mocha gene. Phantoms are more like drastic Mojaves. This is all based on what I consider quality examples. If I saw a phantom listed for sale and it looked like a mystic then I would pass on it because it probably is a mystic. Just like if I saw a butter listed but it looked more like a Mojave then I would pass. Ralph Davis has the only true line of phantom. Everything else is most likely mystic unless it's directly though Ralph Davis' line. That's why the market value for a mystic is lower than that of a phantom. If we are saying that line breeding with a normal can change a morph distinctively enough then why don't we call that normal a morph? If it passes desirable genetic traits to its offspring then theoretically it's a morph right?

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