Need some id,two nice looking guys

[AiMangZhe]

I just saw two nice looking dinker last night in our reptile forum,pxtx.
They are from a hobbyist(panda203040) in Beijing,and I am also curious about them,so I put the pics on here.
The 1st one has a yellow faded side color,and the 2nd has a carzy granite & black back looking
1st young
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little older
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closer

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hunting
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the 2nd!(right)
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I have no idea about the 1st,the 2nd,like I said,I think it's a unproven granite that is very likely to be genetic.
So,what's your opinion?
ps:IF the pics haven't show,these is a link:http://www.flickr.com/photos/9329060...th/8528489696/

[Meltdown Morphs]

I'm not sure about that first one either. I haven't seen a vanilla in person but that snake is pretty light colored for a normal.
But yea the 2nd definitely looks like some type of blackback granite, no telling if either is genetic tho.They'd both make for interesting dinkers that's for sure.

[snakesRkewl]

looks like a normal and a black back granite

[rafacacho]

I´m not sure about the first one, might be vainilla, fire or a very nice normal. The second one it´s a granite.

[angllady2]

The first one has no headstamp to speak of, so it wouldn't be a vanilla or fire, since both of those morphs have pronounced headstamps, I'm going to say it's probably a very sweet normal.

Although from that one upside down picture with the rat, it almost looks like it has a pastel brownout line. So, perhaps it is a pastel. The second is for sure a granite blackback, the trick will be to see if it's genetic.

Gale

[AiMangZhe]

Maybe I was too excited when I saw them.By the way the owner think the 1st could be a OD。

[Evanthomas]

I love the second one. That granite look is awesome.