lesser/butter . calico/sugar ?

[arnau666]

are those ball pythons the same? i mean lesser/butter is this the same bp ? and what about calico/sugar?
i have been reading about this and i cant find the right answer.
some people say they are the same but with different names and others say they are totally different bps.
so what is the truth ?

can someone explain this to me? thank you
btw i hope i posted this in the right section.

thank you

[The Serpent Merchant]

They are different blood lines of the same morph.

[ClarkT]

The funny part if your question is "what is the truth?" The truth probably won't be found here. Instead, you'll get opinions... It's my opinion that they are virtually the same. As are cinnamon and black pastel; mystic/phantom; yellow belly/goblin; nazca/sentinel/paint; lemon pastel/pastel; coral glow/banana...

It ends up being comical to me. Arguments are made saying that one has more blushing than another. One has different yellows than the other--whatever subtle differences are claimed. But the same things are pointed out on normals, and people are told it's just a pretty normal. I've seen mojaves that range from dark gray to faded almost silver, but they're still mojaves. I've seen busy patterned normals, reduced patterned normals, light normals, dark normals, yellowish normals, pied marker normals, etc. if normals can vary so widely, then why can't a lesser? When can we finally call butters and lessers either only butters or only lessers? If cinnamons throw lighter supers than black pastels, then explain Steve at Serpents Den's really dark super cinny.

Pieds vary widely, too. They can be 90% white, or 10% white they're still pieds. If someone else produced their own line of pied, and it produced mainly 25% white pieds, would we call them something else?

So, after my little soap box, back to the original question... I think calicos=sugars and lessers=butters, etc.

[satomi325]

They are different lines of the same genetic mutation.

Different lines may have their own specific unique trait that makes them look different from other lines.

[irishanaconda]

Butter ghost breeding a lesser.... not really fair but if u took away the ghost gene id say they were pretty damn close!

[EAC Reptiles]

As stated before the are jus different lines of the same mutations. They may have slight differences but that's what the name difference is for.

[ClarkT]

If they are different lines of the same mutations, why don't we call them the same mutation? Like calling a certain black pastel a Barnhart line black pastel. We don't call it something else. Instead, it's called a black pastel with the designation of a different line.

I agree that they are different lines. I'd like to see them be designated as the same mutation, different lines, and not be named differently. Look at the number of butter crosses and the lesser crosses. Being the same mutation, the number of morphs is skewed. If a pastel lesser is a pastel butter, then that should be one morph on the list, not two. If you take out all the redundancy of morphs and their crosses, what's the real number of morphs? It just seems misleading. Not that there wouldn't still be a huge morph list, but it would definitely be shorter.

[arnau666]

i think i got it lol, thank you everyone for your help and time to explain .
if anybody has other oppinion about this please post !

[BCBallPythons]

For anyone to have their "own line" of whatever morph, that involves importing said snake, and proving it out to be either co-dom, dom, or recessive.

If i import a snake from africa and it looks exactly like a Spider, i breed that to a normal and hope to produce more "spiders". If i do, they would be the first of. "That line" of spider. Hence I could call it whatever i want. "Ross line Spiders" or i could even call them "Cotton Candy". Butters and Lessers are the same genes but proven out at different times, by different people. Same as Phantom and Mystic or Sugar and Calico.
WE arent the ones who gave all these animals different names. Its the Breeders who took the time to prove out these morphs years ago and i really dont see the big deal with them having different names nor do we have the right to tell them what to call their "discoveries"

Hope that helps


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