Choco Balls :)

[Shewter325]

There isn't a lot of info on Chocolate Balls out there. But i have heard that there is a fatal mix, i think it was chocolate x sable. I just want to know if there is any insight on here about the chocolate morph. I am looking into buying a BHB chocolate pinstripe and want to hear what people have to say about the chocolate morph

[RandyRemington]

No, sable X chocolate was done recently and produced nice looking animals with as far as I know no problems.

I think you are thinking of sable + spider which I've read is a fatal combo. Incidentally chocolate + spider is not fatal (I've got a chocolate pastel spider yb that is the fastest growing snake I've ever owned). The breeder who recently combined chocolate and sable indicated he thinks they are alleles (different versions of the same gene). The proof will be when those animals are grown up and bred but the chocolate sable does have a super sort of look.

[Shewter325]

Thanks yeah it was probably the sable spider that i was thinking about :o

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[TessadasExotics]

Incidentally , Sable Spider is fatal by itself but if more genes are added to it, it can live. The Sable Spider Pastel (Chocolate Chip) was made by Shane and Kim Congdon of KSC Exotics as well as Kevin at NERD.

[Annarose15]

My Chocolate Lemonblast het Hypo from Tim Lane at Ballroom Pythons

[Orenshi]

Just FYI, Cold Blooded Addiction has made both a Sable Butter Spider and Sable Spider. The're both alive and well. He has said that there are definitely some spider issues. So I'm confused why NERD said they are a lethal combo...especially if they have a Sable Spider of their own that is thriving. *confused*
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=183491

--edit--
Here's a thread on Lethal/Fatal Combos too. Sable Spider came up ...
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=184576

[RandyRemington]

Could there be more than one mutation going under the name "sable"? I've not followed that project very close, do they all trace back to one sable founder or were there several imports with the same look that got the same name? People complain about different names for different lines that may eventually be accepted as the same thing (i.e. lesser and butter) but I think it's way more confusing to have two different mutations with the same name (i.e. woma).

Different mutations could explain the perception that adding an extra mutation would revive an otherwise fatal mutation combo. Suppose there is some slight chance that another mutation would counteract whatever changes make a combo fatal but it seems very very unlikely.

[OhhWatALoser]

NERD never said it was fatal, they explained it as difficult to hatch and very "dingy". Just because it's alive doesn't mean it has bad issues, now if adding another gene "fixed" the snake.... well that's damn interesting.

[RandyRemington]

My chocolate spider + 2 was the last one out of the egg but she is a great eater. A little of the spider wobble but I wouldn't say dingy. Is there a thread (hopefully shorter than that "guess what I hatched" one) where they discus "difficult to hatch" or is it one of the videos?

[OhhWatALoser]

My chocolate spider + 2 was the last one out of the egg but she is a great eater. A little of the spider wobble but I wouldn't say dingy. Is there a thread (hopefully shorter than that "guess what I hatched" one) where they discus "difficult to hatch" or is it one of the videos?

dingy is what kevin calls the wobble. its the first thing in the lethal combo video.