Question to those having successfully bred two males to one female

[BciJoe]

I'm hoping to get respones based on experience, or proposed facts, not so much opinion..

Let's say, for sake of argument, I bred a Mojave male and a Pastel Pied male to a normal female.

Eggs hatch and I have mojaves, pastels and normals in the clutch. Why not, a pastave too. Woohoo! lol

Ok, now would you consider just the pastel to be het pied, the pastave, the mojave and/or the normal?

Would the pastels only be het pied, and the mojaves definitely not? (the pastave and normals, possibly)

Would you not consider any of them hets, and consider all of them possible hets?

Very curious if anyone has proven this and knows for sure!

[Vesper]

I'm no expert (nor have I ever bred), but I'd like to try to understand this...so...yeah. I'mma give it a shot, on opinion I suppose. And just learn myself. XD

First off, I don't think you could get a Pastave from the batch. The males dna can't mix, correct?

So, secondly, the only ones with hets should be the ones from the pastel pied father. So the pastels, and possible some normals. And those are suppose to be 50% het pieds. Since it's a percentage already, I suppose I'd consider all the normals 50% het pied, and just let others know of the dual male breeding?

[BHReptiles]

You will not get a pastave since you cannot mix male DNA. For example (and for sake of argument), you have a White woman (human). She sleeps with a black man and an Asian man (I'm not trying to be racist....this is just for sake of argument). She gets pregnant. The baby will be either a Black-white mix or an Asian-White mix. The baby can only be fathered by one man. You will never find (in this scenario for example) a Black Asian baby from a White woman.

The same goes with your snakes. The babies from your normal female will be either mojave, pastel het pied, or normals (some het pied, some not het pied). If you get mojave babies, you know for sure that the mojave male sired them and they will NOT be het pied since the pastel pied and the mojave DNA do not mix (think of the Black-Asian example above). If your babies are pastel, they can only be sired by the pastel pied and WILL be het pied since the father was piebald. Now...you will end up with some normals as well. You cannot outwardly tell which male sired it. You could look for het pied markers, but those are not always reliable. Unlike the other person, I would not sell them as 50% het pied. They either are het...or they aren't. But since you don't know for sure, you will need to do the honest thing and sell them as plane jane normals. However, you could say they were possibly sired by the pastel pied and be het pied (or you could just say the father is either a pastel pied or a mojave and not say anything about what they might be het for). Then, the buyer can make the choice to buy a normal and try and prove her out if they wanted to. That saves you later if they don't prove out het pied and the owner comes back pissed off because you sold them a het animal when it really wasn't het.

I hope that made a little bit of sense...

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Let's say, for sake of argument, I bred a Mojave male and a Pastel Pied male to a normal female.

Eggs hatch and I have mojaves, pastels and normals in the clutch. Why not, a pastave too. Woohoo! lol

You do realize it is genetically impossible

Ok, now would you consider just the pastel to be het pied, the pastave, the mojave and/or the normal?

Obviously not an issue since it is impossible


Now let's say you meant you were breeding a Pastave to a Normal as well as a Pastel pied and answer the question again based on that pairing.

Obviously Mojave and Pastave are no brainer that's what they are, now everything else however, the Pastel as well as Normal looking offsprings I sell them as pastel and normal since at this point there is an uncertainty on whether the Pastave male alone was the sire or both males were sired the clutch.

[joebad976]

Yeah no chance at Pastaves in that scenario.

Not a good idea to try to put a codom and recessive male to a codom female. Now if the female was pastel pied then have at it because all offspring no matter who the sire is would be het pied.

[h00blah]

Yeah no chance at Pastaves in that scenario.

Not a good idea to try to put a codom and recessive male to a codom female. Now if the female was pastel pied then have at it because all offspring no matter who the sire is would be het pied.

X2. Any normals in the clutch could either be sired by the pastel pied or the mojave. You wouldn't be able to say that any of the normals are het for pied.

[MorphMaster]

So all pastels are 100% pied but normals are 50% pied?

[C&H Exotic Morphs]

So all pastels are 100% pied but normals are 50% pied?

No, you couldn't even sell them as 50% het Pieds.
You could only make a notation in the ad that it was a double sired clutch and one of the sires was a visual Pied.

[joebad976]

No, you couldn't even sell them as 50% het Pieds.
You could only make a notation in the ad that it was a double sired clutch and one of the sires was a visual Pied.

^ This exactly

Really a waste of time and effort IMO

[aalomon]

Technically, with that pairing even if you only got pastels and normals you would have to be very careful selling the normals. You cant really guarantee that all the normals are 100% het pied if the female was with another codom. Selling 100% hets that dont prove cant really kill your reputation. Personally, Id stay away from any pairings that would put you in this position.