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    Milk snake questions

    What are the differences between Honduran, nelsons, Pueblan, and other milk snakes? They all look very similar to me. And how can I tell if what I'm looking at is what a seller is saying it is? Can they be/ are they cross bred to produce different morphs?

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    Anyone know?

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    They are different locality that differ in banding mainly, size somewhat (especially considering the size of hondurans being significantly larger than the others). They can be cross bred, and people do it quite often just to see if they can get something "neat" to pop out. If you have an image of what you're looking at we can better assit in getting the ID for you.
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    Re: Milk snake questions

    I like milk snakes, but I'm not a milk snake person...I don't know of any that frequent this forum, but I'm sure there has to be a few. Have you tried other forums that are more specific to what you are looking for? All I know, in regards to what you are asking, is that there are several subspecies of them, and they can bred to each other....now, how that is viewed by the milk snake community is not something I can comment on.

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    I'm not looking at any in particular animal, just looking to expand my knowledge incase I ever come across an animal I can't live without. They all look similar so I was wondering if it's basically only locale or more to it.

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    I felt the same way when I started looking at BPs! What's the difference between a Normal, Enchi, Pastel, Mojave...? They all looked the same to me, haha.

    The localities is a good answer. I'm not super well versed on them, but I have looked at them a bit more recently, especially after finding some really neat ones.

    My impression is that it is the pattern and general size differences you will experience. They can be cross bred. Recently a local breeder started introducing some of those lines with Corns. Man, are those hatchlings EVER interesting! Gorgeous little things.

    As for exact details and whether or not the seller is being truthful, I'm not 100% on that one. Some locals can look very similar to one another. Such as a lot of the Mountain varities. A lot of the mountain locals have tighter banding than compared to a Nelsons. But, some of these lines of Mountains can have minimalized banding, or increased banding, so they can be tricky to tell.

    Hondurans get to be a nice hefty size when they're adults (friend of mine has a beautiful 5ft+ Hypo Honduran. Just gorgeous). Pueblans are a fair size, but not as large as Hondurans. Pueblans typically have a 'flightier' tendancy than some, with a 'Musk now, ask questions later' kind of attitude. Nelsons stay on the smaller end of the scale.

    Start to get familiar with the bands, and head markings. Those will give you some clues. Nelsons have large red bands and their black and white/yellow bands are typically tighter together. Hondurans have thicker markings, with a smaller red area than Nelsons, and wider black/white/yellow markings. Most Pueblans I've seen have a lighter band on their head, similar to the Nelson but with wider bands. They strike me as very beautiful snakes, as their banding is typically very thick.

    Unfortunately, I wish there was a bit easier-to-find information about these animals online. All I've gathered here are bits and pieces from other forums, so please do NOT quote me on this, haha.

    But overall, Hondurans seem to have a pretty good reputation. Pueblans are nice but a bit musky and sometimes will resort to pooping on you. Nelsons appear to be calmer, but are on the smaller side.
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    Nelsons does not equal calmer lol . . . Hondurans are butt heads as young snakes but calm down very nicely as adults. Pueblans are only musky in their younger ages, as they age they tend to see a friendly hand with confidence as friend and not foe and relax while being handled. All of them can be different as personalities seem to very more on a snake to snake, rather than species to species. I had a Nelson's that was a demon when you tried to handle her. I've had plenty of Pueblans that would never even try to get away or musk as a young snake, and then I've messed with Hondos that have been devils and angels. It all comes down to the individual. Unless you are going to try and breed them specifically, if you see a milk snake you can't live without, and you can justify whatever price tag is on it, base your choice on that alone. Who cares what they claim it to be. Unless you're out to prove out the genetics later on down the line, it could be a super hypo xanthic whatever and to you it can still just be a super nice snake
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