Ringer genetic?

[WtGreg]

So I am working to get out of cinny's completely and into bl. pastels, and even then cleaning of the simple morphs to have only multi-gene combos in my collection... and then this rolls along:

A few years back a deal rolls along where I could get a cinny female ringer, a cinny male, and a lesser for a good price if I got all three. I only wanted the lesser, but of the cinny's could use the male, so kept him. The cinny's were siblings, BTW. So I sell the female because I wasn't convinced of the ringer being anything more than one of those occurances that just pops up. I couldn't find enough to make me convinced it is genetic.

Jump forward to this past year's breeding when the male cinny sires a clutch and a ringer pops out! Well shoot. So the sire shows no visual of the trait, but it's sibling did, and now it pops out another ringer.

(Image from shortly after hatch)


(taken today)


So here I am thinking this could be just another random occurance... or could it? The sibling of the sire, and the offspring?
Check out the area a little above the actually ringer spot and how it nicely lightens up the sides. I wanted to get away from these, but now I debate do I try to see if something is here...



I am not yet convinced that ringer is a passable trait. I am not solid that it isn't passable either.
I know people have pics and videos where they say "this is a genetic ringer..." But I want proof before investing into cinny's more than I have to. Does anyone know of a site that I missed, or have the evidence themselves, of ringers being genetic for more than just one to two breeding seasons. Basically I am looking for a lineage of a few seasons at least with it being directly passed down, not just a two season occurance of a ringer.

Not that I wouldn't enjoy the experiment, but like I said at the beginning, I am torn because of wanting to invest less time, effort, and money in cinnys.

I read Graziani may have proven it, or at least the graziani line (http://torontopythongurus.webs.com/a...lbumid=8094276), but again, hearing of and seeing ringers are different from seeing the actual clutch to clutch occurances. I see pictures of ringers, not pictures of how it was passed down.

I would greatly appreciate anyone's opinions on the ringer as a genetic trait, but would be awesome if someone could provide a lineage of it being passed.

Since I'm looking for opinions, why not also make it almost like a poll as well: what do you think, do I invest the time and effort, or follow through with weaning cinny's out?

Thanks for your thoughts!


(wish I had better pics, cause these don't do it full justice, will try to get better ones later)

[OhhWatALoser]

dave green has ringers that appear to be genetic. talk to him about it. even if ringer seems to be able to appear in a lot of things, i've seen them alot in cinny ringers, seems to be closely linked with them.