Global Warming

[ball python 22]

Who all beleives in Global Warming? Me personally I dont believe it.

[The Serpent Merchant]

I believe that we aren't helping, but the earth does have natural cycles (ice age, warming period, hot climate, cooling period,... Repeat) I think that we are moving into a hot climate, which in time will cool back off.

That isn't to say that we shouldn't work to cut emissions/pollution. Even if global warming doesn't exist, they aren't good things.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

You cant just ask that question with nothing else. I believe that everyone who does believe in it only do so based on what they've heard. The so called "facts".

This is a scientific conversation and so would need the believers to provide the proof to support their end of the story, and the non believers to do the same.

In all honesty, similar to what I said in the other thread, this planet has been here much too long, and we've been here too short of a time, to accurately measure something like that yet.

Based on modern studies though, it appears that global warming, the trend of rising and lowering CO2 levels, as well as rising and lowering planetary temperatures over so many years, coinciding with the suns cycles, is completely normal and natural. In fact, the planetary temperatures are actually dropping or have stayed the same for the last 15 years. That much IS a fact.

So much for global warming as the politicians would have you see it.. :p

[dr del]

Heh,

I actually think we are heading into a mild glacial period.


dr del

[python_addict]

I think the past is just repeating yeah we might be making it worse. Last year here in central Illinois we got 2 feet of snow and the weather was freezing but this year we had 2 days of snow the most was 2 inches, its been hoodie or long sleeve shirt weather as opposed to wearing layers at this same time last year. Just my thought.

[Mike41793]

The earth does have natural heating and cooling cycles but the cycle we are heading into is heating up the earth at an alarming rate compared to previous years. I have a crapload of facts that i can back up this statement with, like links to certain studies, but im at work right now so i dont have access to them. We gotta table this debate for like 2 hours until i get home lol.

[The Serpent Merchant]

The earth does have natural heating and cooling cycles but the cycle we are heading into is heating up the earth at an alarming rate compared to previous years. I have a crapload of facts that i can back up this statement with, like links to certain studies, but im at work right now so i dont have access to them. We gotta table this debate for like 2 hours until i get home lol.

We haven't been around long enough to actually be able to tell how quickly the changes should happen, we are talking about cycles that take hundreds to thousands of years.

I agree that wee defiantly aren't doing the right things, and maybe even that we are helping it along... but in the end the Earth has was to deal with the excess C02. This isn't her first time around the block

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Heh,

I actually think we are heading into a mild glacial period.


dr del

I agree.. They've already proven with over 30,000 monitoring stations that the temps have fallen in the last 15 years. I've also read reports on all the mini ice ages/glacial periods we've been able to record. For years people thought ice age meant the big one that came after the dinosaurs but now we know that isn't true.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

The earth does have natural heating and cooling cycles but the cycle we are heading into is heating up the earth at an alarming rate compared to previous years. I have a crapload of facts that i can back up this statement with, like links to certain studies, but im at work right now so i dont have access to them. We gotta table this debate for like 2 hours until i get home lol.

What are you talking about? None of the global warming projections have actually been met. Read through this very carefully and open your mind. Especially the parts I've quoted. The planet is doing what it does.. The next 15 years will be the tell all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ing-again.html


"The supposed consensus on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years."

"Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997."

"CO2 levels have continued to rise without interruption and, in 2007, the Met Office claimed that global warming was about to come roaring back. It said that between 2004 and 2014 there would be an overall increase of 0.3C. In 2009, it predicted that at least three of the years 2009 to 2014 would break the previous temperature record set in 1998. So far there is no sign of any of this happening. But yesterday a Met Office spokesman insisted its models were still valid."

"Dr Nicola Scafetta, of Duke University in North Carolina, is the author of several papers that argue the Met Office climate models show there should have been steady warming from 2000 until now."

"If temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become so great that the whole scientific community will question the current theories, he said."

He believes that as the Met Office model attaches much greater significance to CO2 than to the sun, it was bound to conclude that there would not be cooling. The real issue is whether the model itself is accurate, Dr Scafetta said. Meanwhile, one of America's most eminent climate experts, Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology, said she found the Met office's confident prediction of negligable impact difficult to understand.

The responsible thing to do would be to accept the fact that the models may have severe shortcomings when it comes to the influence of the sun, said Professor Curry. As for the warming pause, she said that many scientists are not surprised."

"She argued it is becoming evident that factors other than CO2 play an important role in rising or falling warmth, such as the 60-year water temperature cycles in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

They have insufficiently been appreciated in terms of global climate, said Prof Curry. When both oceans were cold in the past, such as from 1940 to 1970, the climate cooled. The Pacific cycle flipped back from warm to cold mode in 2008 and the Atlantic is also thought likely to flip in the next few years .

Pal Brekke, senior adviser at the Norwegian Space Centre, said some scientists found the importance of water cycles difficult to accept, because doing so means admitting that the oceans, not CO2, caused much of the global warming between 1970 and 1997.

The same goes for the impact of the sun, which was highly active for much of the 20th Century.

Nature is about to carry out a very interesting experiment, he said. Ten or 15 years from now, we will be able to determine much better whether the warming of the late 20th Century really was caused by man-made CO2, or by natural variability.

Meanwhile, since the end of last year, world temperatures have fallen by more than half a degree, as the cold La Nina effect has re-emerged in the South Pacific.

We're now well into the second decade of the pause, said Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. If we don't see convincing evidence of global warming by 2015, it will start to become clear whether the models are bunk. And, if they are, the implications for some scientists could be very serious."

[zeion97]

*grabs some popcorn* a good debate for me to check up on every now and then while I work.