Loophole in the Burm Ban?

[SpartaDog]

Kind of...Probably not, and it doesn't help afrock or anaconda owners, but this thought just popped into my head. Yeah, technically Burms are banned from crossing state lines and there's not much we can do about that that we aren't already working on. Burmese pythons, as you probably know, are Python molurus bivittatus. But does the ban say anything about the Indian python (Python molurus), Ceylonese python (Python molurus pimbura), or any other P. molurus subspecies?

I mean the US government calls American bulldogs, cane corsos, Alapaha blueblood bulldogs, Olde English Bulldogges, Dogue de Bordeaux, boxers, all different kinds of mastiffs, and just about any mollosser-type dog you can think of a "pit bull" and seize the dog in areas where pits are banned. But as long as the owner can prove the dog is not an American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, or any other breeds listed in the law, the gov't is forced to drop charges. So if the Burm ban only bans P. m. bivittatus, if the owner can prove it's not, can the charges be dropped?

[WingedWolfPsion]

A)
Python molurus has now been split from Python bivittatus.

B) The Indian Python is already restricted, and has been for a long time. I believe it's a CITES 1 animal, correct me if I'm wrong.

[SpartaDog]

A)
Python molurus has now been split from Python bivittatus.

B) The Indian Python is already restricted, and has been for a long time. I believe it's a CITES 1 animal, correct me if I'm wrong.

A) I didn't know that. I'm by no means a giant expert, and I was just going off one website I found.
B) I didn't know that either XD So I guess my idea is kind of out.

But what about the Ceylonese python? Are they grouped with Burms, categorized as CITES 1, or unrestricted?

[WingedWolfPsion]

Ceylonese Pythons were considered to be a subspecies of molurus. I'm not sure whether they have subspecific status at all, any longer.

Dwarf burms are now Python bivittatus progschai

[Genetics Breeder]

I know one loophole. If it is legal to breed them within the state, people could still breed them, and since they are so prolific, only incubate a few eggs. Then they would be able to sell them easier than trying to sell a whole clutch in the state.
Also, a few people would illegally transport the newest morphs over state borders, spreading the morphs to new states. Once they have a single animal (like albino), to breed from, they could make more in the next state. After a while it would be too hard to track back inheritance to the single illegally-transported animal.

[Maixx]

Is it illegal to transport fertile eggs?

[WingedWolfPsion]

Those are not actually loopholes.

Yes, it is illegal to transport fertile eggs.

[MarkS]

Here is a copy of how the final ruling is worded.

http://www.mnherpsoc.com/sites/defau...s-Wildlife.pdf

SUMMARY: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service (Service) is amending its
regulations under the Lacey Act to add
Python molurus (which includes
Burmese python Python molurus
bivittatus and Indian python Python
molurus molurus), Northern African
python (Python sebae), Southern
African python (Python natalensis), and
yellow anaconda (Eunectes notaeus) to
the list of injurious reptiles.

[Genetics Breeder]

Those are not actually loopholes.

Yes, it is illegal to transport fertile eggs.

They are not loopholes around the law. I was saying that if people still wanted to breed them, even for pets, they could incubate fewer eggs so that they would be able to sell the babies that they did hatch within their state.

[RobNJ]

They are not loopholes around the law. I was saying that if people still wanted to breed them, even for pets, they could incubate fewer eggs so that they would be able to sell the babies that they did hatch within their state.

They are not loopholes at all, as a loophole would constitute taking advantage of a technicality WITHIN the law. Sneaking new morphs across state lines just doesn't fall into that realm.

As far as breeding and incubating fewer eggs, sure people could do that. Still would not be long until the state is over saturated and said breeders would be left with a lot of snakes they don't necessarily want to keep on their hands.