Well I am going tomorrow to make an offer on 4 female and two male BPs and an eleven tub rack. He was asking 4500 for 7 Bps and two racks. But in asking questions from all of you I found out that a female caremal is not the best investment for a breeding project so I have him down to 3500 minus the caremal and smaller rack. I will offer 3000 and if he says no I will go upto 3200. I will take 3500 but will have to decide if I want to pay more then 3200. If I bring them home I will post pics. Thanks again for everyones help! Michael.