need info --- het caramel albino het hypo, and caramel glows

[dfriedlos]

i was hoping if someone could help me out with a couple things, 1 is how are the double het to breed and how is the caramel glow? i have 1-2 babys coming
any extra info on these snakes would be much appreciated

thank you

[OhhWatALoser]

I'm not sure exactly what your asking, they breed like every other ball python, being a morph has nothing to do with how they breed. If you asking for possible outcomes....

[dfriedlos]

thank you for that and why do i keep seeing that caramels kink... is this all caramels or hit and miss... what else should i expect

[OhhWatALoser]

It's hit or miss with the kinking

[King's Royal Pythons]

There is someone locally that has been playing with caramels, as in breeding alot of them, and has been trying different things. He has not had ANY kinks in the last three years. With over 70 visual caramel albinos hatched, and not one kink, I think he figured something out. The thing is...he won't tell me!!




---Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

[RandyRemington]

...he won't tell me!!

That sucks! I mean allowing more kinked caramels to be produced to keep a perceived competitive advantage. Thing is maybe if a breeder knew how to 100% prevent kinking in caramels letting the info out would more than offset increased competitor production with better caramel demand. But even if it does make economic sense to keep such a secret I think it's wrong not to prevent suffering of the kinked hatchlings in other collections.

I've heard of keepers with long strings of no kinks before. To me it comes down to two possibilities:

1. They are lying to make their caramels more marketable.
2. They are doing something different that overcomes the kinking tendency in caramels.

I'm discounting the third possibility that they have a kinkless line by some sort of luck or outbreeding because if that happened you would see ads from their customers also having seen no kinks.

I've heard a few of these reports from breeders I trust so I think there must be a way around the kinks even if some might be stumbling on it by accident and might not even know themselves the real reason why they don't get kinks. One of the ideas I've wondered about is if certain rat diets either provide a nutrient that is essential due to the nature of the caramel mutation or don't have some nutrient that caramels can't tolerate. Wish I knew the answer as this will be my first (long) shot at caramels got 2012.

[dfriedlos]

Thank you both of you... i have been reading more about all this because i am getting to double het for caramel glows as soon as the weather turns around and also a pied pair, iv read something about humidity and temperature while incubating... has anyone read into this more or has a understanding?

and dont worry about the hijack