Whats the deal with prices?

[Domepiece]

Ok, so I generally know a little bit about pricing, ifs its a hatchling, adult, weight, color, pattern, new, rare, hard to make, ect, your going to be forking out alot more cash but whats up with the extreme price inequities within the same morph catagory? For instance I am seeing pieds online from 600 to 1200 that are essentially the same in quality and size. I have also notice that some of the double gene morphs for instance have some extreme differnce in prices compared to their perspective single gene counterparts. So how does say a 300 morph combined with another 300 morph make a 2,000 morph? Just wondering. I mean I get it but really? thanks for taking the time to entertain this question.

[RichsBallPythons]

Comes to the odd gods.

Look at Ivories. can get pair of YBs for about 200-300. And make a ivory for 600-700. If the odds are bad then no ivories,all on the odds.

their all easy to make, its a luck game

[dart]

Let's take a SpinnerBlast for example. You could take 1 $1400 dollar Spinnerblast male and breed it to 1 normal female and get 6 different morphs out of 1 breeding. But, on the other hand you'd have to have a $300 Pinstripe , a $200 Spider and a $100 Pastel to breed to make less possible combinations of morphs. Thats why the more genes a single animal has the more value it has. It increases the possibilities and lowers the amount of other animals you need to produce similar results. (the dollar amounts i pulled out of thin air so don't take those amounts to heart)

[Driver]

Quality of the snake and reputation of the breeder have a lot to do with it. Also it takes longer to make the double gene morphs then a single gene. Plus the investment is more up front.

[Domepiece]

Comes to the odd gods.

Look at Ivories. can get pair of YBs for about 200-300. And make a ivory for 600-700. If the odds are bad then no ivories,all on the odds.

their all easy to make, its a luck game

Ok, I can see that on maybe some of the double recessives but with co doms and dominant gene traits? I seen a lesser enchi for 2,100, very cool animal but to hit on one of those the odds arent astronomical. Also what if someone put together say a BEL x Super Enchi, your more than likely gonna hit on a few.

[Domepiece]

Let's take a SpinnerBlast for example. You could take 1 $1400 dollar Spinnerblast male and breed it to 1 normal female and get 6 different morphs out of 1 breeding. But, on the other hand you'd have to have a $300 Pinstripe , a $200 Spider and a $100 Pastel to breed to make less possible combinations of morphs. Thats why the more genes a single animal has the more value it has. It increases the possibilities and lowers the amount of other animals you need to produce similar results. (the dollar amounts i pulled out of thin air so don't take those amounts to heart)

I understand but some of the lower end morphs will take you years to make your money back if thats your intent. For instance a snow will run you a couple thousand dollars, say its a female, theres 3 years right there before you can see any return, then she pumps out normal double hets, probably not enough to break even on the snake, then another year to try again, your talking investing 2,000 for four years to see minimal return, you can double your money easier than that by investing in more tradition market situations so I'm just not understanding the high price. Especially on the 20,000 snakes. Who is buying these animals, they have to be sitting on them for years.

[RichsBallPythons]

Ok, I can see that on maybe some of the double recessives but with co doms and dominant gene traits? I seen a lesser enchi for 2,100, very cool animal but to hit on one of those the odds arent astronomical. Also what if someone put together say a BEL x Super Enchi, your more than likely gonna hit on a few.

When you have supers you hit the ods or bought into the odds. So you have the chance to make stuff BEFORE the others and claim the market on them.

I had a spider x normal clutch 7 eggs all normals. Ith appens no matter what genetics are playing

[mattchibi]

I understand but some of the lower end morphs will take you years to make your money back if thats your intent. For instance a snow will run you a couple thousand dollars, say its a female, theres 3 years right there before you can see any return, then she pumps out normal double hets, probably not enough to break even on the snake, then another year to try again, your talking investing 2,000 for four years to see minimal return, you can double your money easier than that by investing in more tradition market situations so I'm just not understanding the high price. Especially on the 20,000 snakes. Who is buying these animals, they have to be sitting on them for years.

You could breed a Queen Bee with a Lesser Pastel and get a clutch full of normals. Or you could get a clutch full of killer queen bees. Just saying its possible and all depends on the odds. Ball python breeding shouldnt be about the money. sure making your investment back is always nice and being able to fund your breeding projects with the returns youre getting from sales is nice as well, but youre right, if youre trying to make a quick buck, dont choose to breed ball pythons. Its a long and expensive process and you won't see any returns for 3 or 4 years.

To try and answer your question, you need to choose what morphs and outcomes you want to breed wisely. If you are trying to make your return back in the first few years, breeding two recessives to make double hets would not be a good idea at all because a) people would be hesitant to buy double hets from someone who isnt known, b) double hets would be harder to sell than codom or dominant mixed morphs. The only reason you would make double hets is to try and produce a visual form of two combined recessive genes. The longer a process takes for a snake to be made, the more expensive it will be.

[Domepiece]

You could breed a Queen Bee with a Lesser Pastel and get a clutch full of normals. Or you could get a clutch full of killer queen bees. Just saying its possible and all depends on the odds. Ball python breeding shouldnt be about the money. sure making your investment back is always nice and being able to fund your breeding projects with the returns youre getting from sales is nice as well, but youre right, if youre trying to make a quick buck, dont choose to breed ball pythons. Its a long and expensive process and you won't see any returns for 3 or 4 years.

To try and answer your question, you need to choose what morphs and outcomes you want to breed wisely. If you are trying to make your return back in the first few years, breeding two recessives to make double hets would not be a good idea at all because a) people would be hesitant to buy double hets from someone who isnt known, b) double hets would be harder to sell than codom or dominant mixed morphs. The only reason you would make double hets is to try and produce a visual form of two combined recessive genes. The longer a process takes for a snake to be made, the more expensive it will be.

I know, I know. I understand the genetics. I guess I'm just complaining because some of the ones I want are too much and I'm jealous, lol. Ive kept snakes for over 10 years now and have 24 ball python morphs with over 10k invested in that time span. I love ball pythons I could care less about making a buck I just wanna make some of the snakes I want without spending 20K for them. Just doing a little complaining. Just think some of the prices are ridiculous. I could get a champion recognized papered show dog for 2,000 and they have a larger community and reputation than ball pythons, for now that is. Now that I think of it their should be a snake show/competition, now theres an idea

[West Coast Jungle]

You obviously haven't bred ball pythons very long. There is a lot more to it then getting two morphs and breeding them together. Realistically you spend 3-5 years on a project and when you finally hit the odds trust me you wont think the price is high. At the end off the day its like rolling the dice in Vegas and that is if you get eggs. I remember one season Graziani had 100 females that didn't go!

It took me 19 eggs from 3 different clutches to hit on a bumble bee that should have been 1 in 4 odds. That of course doesn't count the females that never even produced eggs.

You mentioned the BEL and Super Enchi, to breed them together you would have had to have bought them both several years ago when the price for either one of them would cost you way more than the combo you produced today and then someone will ask you why is it so much??