Het question

[Salamander Rising]

I checked the Genetics Wizard for a Pastel X 100% Het Clown mating and got this:

Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by

Is that all I would get or are there some sort of variables the Wizard doesn't cover?

Would this be simply a 'breeding experience/education' mating or could something unusual pop up?

The GW gives me 50/50 with a Pastel/normal female versus the 100% Het Clown.

Why is that so?
Simply the co-doms versus recessive issue?

Thanks for any info.

[PitOnTheProwl]

Is that all I would get or are there some sort of variables the Wizard doesn't cover?

That is all you would get unless your pastel happens to be het. clown

Would this be simply a 'breeding experience/education' mating or could something unusual pop up?

You could produce clowns in the long run. If your het clown is the female, you could hold back the males and breed them back to try and prove them out. The only problem is that the clutch would only be 50% chance of being het.

Why is that so?
Simply the co-doms versus recessive issue?

You have to have two of the recessives or two hets to get the visual

[Salamander Rising]

That is all you would get unless your pastel happens to be het. clown


You could produce clowns in the long run. If your het clown is the female, you could hold back the males and breed them back to try and prove them out. The only problem is that the clutch would only be 50% chance of being het.


You have to have two of the recessives or two hets to get the visual

That's what I suspected.

I'd be better off to "practice" on a normal....:]

[still looking for a grown Pastel female, though]

I'm reading Berry's "Designer Morphs" book and my head is about to explode.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

I personally wouldn't even consider that pairing. The price of a visual male clown is far less than the price of raising up a bunch of possible hets that may not even prove out. It is also difficult to sell the possible hets that you decide not to keep. Get a visual clown and make all 100% hets, or get a pastel het clown male to breed to the het female and you have a shot at producing visual pastel clowns right away.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

The advantage of option a(visual clown)is you most likely will get at least one male pastel het for the next season and some female pastel hets to hold back as future breeders.
Option b(pastel het clown male)gives you a shot at making the coveted pastel clown your first time out, but you will also end up with a bunch of possible hets.

[Salamander Rising]

I personally wouldn't even consider that pairing. The price of a visual male clown is far less than the price of raising up a bunch of possible hets that may not even prove out. It is also difficult to sell the possible hets that you decide not to keep. Get a visual clown and make all 100% hets, or get a pastel het clown male to breed to the het female and you have a shot at producing visual pastel clowns right away.

I've got a Pastel breeder male and really want a Pastel female but came upon a bargain Het.
I didn't jump at the offer because in the back of my head, I knew the pairing was not going to get me much more than breeding experience.

I'll just keeping looking for the .1 Pastel or a breeder .1 Spider.

Something will turn up, eventually.

[Salamander Rising]

The advantage of option a(visual clown)is you most likely will get at least one male pastel het for the next season and some female pastel hets to hold back as future breeders.
Option b(pastel het clown male)gives you a shot at making the coveted pastel clown your first time out, but you will also end up with a bunch of possible hets.

That's why I love it here.
Everybody knows so much and is so willing to share their knowledge with [somewhat overwhelmed] novices.

You're all just the best.

Thanks!....

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

I've got a Pastel breeder male and really want a Pastel female but came upon a bargain Het.
I didn't jump at the offer because in the back of my head, I knew the pairing was not going to get me much more than breeding experience.

I'll just keeping looking for the .1 Pastel or a breeder .1 Spider.

Something will turn up, eventually.

Count yourself lucky, I'd much rather have a het clown female than a pastel or spider any day. You just need a male with the clown gene to pair with her. Even het females will be valuable to you for years to come, because they can be paired with the right male and produce high end babies indefinitely. Males on the other hand are usually replaced with one of thier higher end male offspring every year and go down in value sooner.

[Salamander Rising]

Count yourself lucky, I'd much rather have a het clown female than a pastel or spider any day. You just need a male with the clown gene to pair with her. Even het females will be valuable to you for years to come, because they can be paired with the right male and produce high end babies indefinitely. Males on the other hand are usually replaced with one of thier higher end male offspring every year and go down in value sooner.

Thank you for the advice.
Exactly what would be the 'right male' to pair with her?

Sorry for being so obtuse but the "Het" stuff is what I have the most trouble understanding.

[and trying to figure out Punnett squares just make my eyes roll back in my head]....

[RichL]

I don't have an answer for what you 'should' pair her with, but here is a site that helped me grasp the whole het/codom/dom thing. You may already know about them, but I refer back to it regularly even-though I have a 'decent' understanding.

http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

Between this site, the genetic wizard, and little bit of brain power, it has helped me figure out most of what I want to know.