Is the BP Market ready for another breeder?

[Atherosdragon]

I have been doing a lot of research all over the place... I have seen prices so low on BPs that I don't think it's wise for me to think about being a "hobby breeder" I have heard of people putting normal males and even some breeders putting ALL normals in the freezer and killing them... Just to eliminate the extra "worthless" mouth to feed... that left me speechless! and angry! if breeders can't sell the animals for more than the cost of upkeep which is a lot higher than $10 for a normal! REALLY? $10!?!? is the going price right now!? I wanted to breed just so I can have more morphs in MY collection but knowing that the normals and hets that i would rather sell are "Worthless" I am completely turned off the whole idea! I Really want to breed for a lot more reasons than that as well... but mostly I'm pissed that breeders feel the need to kill perfect specimens because it is less expensive...

[meowmeowkazoo]

$10 is the wholesale price for ball pythons. Most breeders do not wholesale their animals, so you don't need to worry about that. If you sell the animals individually you can easily get anywhere from $25 - $75 each depending on whom you sell to.

I haven't heard of breeders killing normals just because they aren't worth the money, but I suppose it's possible.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

I have been doing a lot of research all over the place...

I have heard of people putting normal males and even some breeders putting ALL normals in the freezer and killing them... Just to eliminate the extra "worthless" mouth to feed... :

Would love to see your sources on all this research about breeders freezing the normals.

but knowing that the normals and hets that i would rather sell are "Worthless" I am completely turned off the whole idea!

If you consider normals and hets to be worthless just because of what others may or may not think, I agree you probably shouldn't breed.

[TheSnakeEye]

Im pretty sure ts was talking from the breeders view when they said worthless.

Btw I know a couple large breeders who freeze off 100's of normal and hets every year. Im not supporting it but ts didnt pull that claim out of thin air.

[JulieInNJ]

Btw I know a couple large breeders who freeze off 100's of normal and hets every year.

I've heard that too. And it's heart breaking. A lot of my collection are hets, basically because I want the pleasure of breeding animals into my own collection, and quite frankly, I can't afford a lot of the higher priced visuals. I'm sure a lot of new collector-breeders start off in the same boat and would happily pay for hets.

[pythoncrazy]

That is absolutely horrifying...no joke I almost cried at this...and i'm a man I never cry. How could they be so cruel =/ Normals are not worthless and deserve to be healthy and happy not put in a freezer! If you're gonna kill them anyways why would you not just give them away for free to people that want them?! I am absolutely outraged, what the hell is wrong with these people?!

[CapeFearConstrictors]

Give us the names of these breeders that cull normals or stop spreading the rumors!

It seems nearly every day someone new chimes in and says "I've heard big breeders cull normals." It's odd, I've yet to come across someone actually naming a breeder who has done so.

Just because a buddy of yours tells you he heard from the neighbor of a friend of his brother's wife's cousin that big breeders cull normals doesn't make it true.

The big names in this industry are big because they are passionate about their animals. I can't see any of the big breeders culling normals. The thousands of normal ball pythons that are imported from Africa each year tells us that there is still a huge demand for them.

[TheSnakeEye]

Give us the names of these breeders that cull normals or stop spreading the rumors!

It seems nearly every day someone new chimes in and says "I've heard big breeders cull normals." It's odd, I've yet to come across someone actually naming a breeder who has done so.

Just because a buddy of yours tells you he heard from the neighbor of a friend of his brother's wife's cousin that big breeders cull normals doesn't make it true.

The big names in this industry are big because they are passionate about their animals. I can't see any of the big breeders culling normals. The thousands of normal ball pythons that are imported from Africa each year tells us that there is still a huge demand for them.

I never said I know someone who knows someone who knows someone. I know him. I know the man who tells his workers to freeze them. I will NOT give out his name as wrong as his actions are. But my.claims are far from bs.... Btw just cus big breeders say they dont, doesnt mean they dont behind closed doors.

Once yet again, I am not approving of the act, but it happens and you just gotta deal with it. Unfortunately its just something that comes with the territory. Some of these large breeders dont have time to sit & try and sell normals for $30.

[JulieInNJ]

Give us the names of these breeders that cull normals or stop spreading the rumors!

It seems nearly every day someone new chimes in and says "I've heard big breeders cull normals." It's odd, I've yet to come across someone actually naming a breeder who has done so.

Just because a buddy of yours tells you he heard from the neighbor of a friend of his brother's wife's cousin that big breeders cull normals doesn't make it true.

The big names in this industry are big because they are passionate about their animals. I can't see any of the big breeders culling normals. The thousands of normal ball pythons that are imported from Africa each year tells us that there is still a huge demand for them.

Here's where I read first read about it.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ealthy-Animals

As well as other posts referring to other websites (ks, fauna) with similar discussions. I've also seen testimonials from former employees. Is it possible they were disgruntled? Sure. Is it possible they were actually telling the truth? Sure.

You assume that every breeder is a reputable breeder. Not every breeder is in it to further the species along. Not every breeder loves their animals or has a passion for bps.

[DemmBalls]

Wow! I have heard of breeders doing this as well, but it still makes me sick. If you can't find respect for the normal BP's, then you are breeding for all thre wrong reasons.