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    Lesser vs. Butter?

    Hey guys! So I am planning for the show in Phoenix next month and trying to get a good idea of what I want for my first double morph male. I was thinking either a butter pastel or a butter fire, however, I when reading through the morph descriptions I came across the lesser.

    It seems like the Lesser and Butter morph are very similar and in fact even produce the same super (BELs). So why is it that a Butter Pastel is more expensive than a Lesser Pastel? Is there any real benefit to going one way rather than the other if you can produce essentially the same morphs?
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    Butters and lessers are very hard to tell apart, even some mojaves look like lessers. I don't know the exact reason for butters being more expensive, but I have heard that super lessers are known to have birth defects. I don't know how true this is though. I also don't know if butters have the same problem, but I haven't heard of it with butters so that might play into it.

    With the internet you never truly know what's fact and what's rumor. Hopefully someone can clear this up.
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    I cant tell them apart

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    Well if they did have defects, I can see that as being a reason to pick a butter over a lesser. Anyone heard that? Need more inputs! lol
    0.5 Normal - Crawly, Bonnie, Sally, Oracle, and Silver
    1.1 Spider - Parker and Clyde
    1.0 100% Het Albino - Lucky
    0.1 Cinnamon - Riddle
    1.0 Lesser Cinnamon - Sinatra
    1.1 Pastel Possible Het OG - Mellow and Squirt
    0.1 Albino - Sunny
    0.2 Mojave - Cassiopeia and Cleopatra
    1.0 Pastel Yellowbelly - Jigsaw
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    honestly butters and lessers so so similar that they are the same morphs with different effects in combos.

    make sence?

    for instance a butter spider, and a lesser spider.

    there is the most obvious distinction ive witnessed and seen in most all pictures i researched before buying my butter.

    from what i heard butterxbutter/lesserxlesser make the whitest BEL
    but in both cases they are sometimes born with bugg eyes.
    not deformed but a decission breaker for some people.

    and if you cant tell the difference between some lessers and mojaves, look in the blacks and bellies.
    my mojos belly is kinda smokey, my butters belly is super white. just saying, plus some lessers look like they have some ghost gene influence. butters/lessers just have amazing variences within the morph itself,
    such as mojaves.
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    Re: Lesser vs. Butter?

    I personally prefer butter, if you see enough of them, you can start to tell a difference especially among older animals, now im not going to play which one is the butter or so on, I chose to work with butter and mojave because those 2 are my favorite bel genes..... I would pay more for a butter than a lesser but that is just me personally. A butter fire (nuclear) is an awesome animal to pick up, especially if you have an enchi female hiding somewhere.... and honestly the more expensive price of the butter is a plus to me, you may spend more on an animal than on a lesser, but your offspring will be more valuable as well.... In the end work with what YOU like the best, and take lots of pics at the show, I will not be able to make it this year
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    I also have a hard time telling them apart. I decided to go the butter route because both the female and male fit the characteristics of what I wanted perfectly. If I would have found a better looking lesser I'd have gone that route.

    Here is my male pastel butter PH OH.


    Here he is with my female butter PH OG.


    I honestly wouldn't get too caught up in what the difference is between the two. I would focus on finding the best example of what you want to reproduce in the future. If it ends up a butter or lesser so be it.

    Good luck at the show. If I have a day off the weekend of the show I will be there. I went last year and loved it. Last year I remember seeing plenty of male BPs, I was only in the market for females so I didn't walk out with any balls.
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    I don't know. I have both
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    Hopefully there will be a lot of males to choose from and I can just pick which I like the best instead of worrying over whether I'd want a butter pastel/butter fire or a lesser pastel/lesser fire. Never know what I might find that I end up bringing home lol. I'll have about 800 to work with for a double gene male, so I will be working with what I can lol. Wish me luck! If anyone does end up getting to the show in November, I'd be happy to say hello!
    0.5 Normal - Crawly, Bonnie, Sally, Oracle, and Silver
    1.1 Spider - Parker and Clyde
    1.0 100% Het Albino - Lucky
    0.1 Cinnamon - Riddle
    1.0 Lesser Cinnamon - Sinatra
    1.1 Pastel Possible Het OG - Mellow and Squirt
    0.1 Albino - Sunny
    0.2 Mojave - Cassiopeia and Cleopatra
    1.0 Pastel Yellowbelly - Jigsaw
    1.0 Calico - Zeus

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    i say they are the same exact thing
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