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From what I've read it could go either way. You can get high quality from low quality and you can also get low quality from high quality.
I don't think your pastels look that bad, the first one has some nice blushing. Your bee is a little brown, but he has a good pattern for a spider.
I think you can make some nice babies with what you have.
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I agree the bee isn't super bright, however, it has high white and is reduced which a lot of people really like in their bees/spiders. I do not know too much about the pastels, looks a little dull to me. Did you see the parents? What were they like? I have heard sometimes ugly snakes can make beautiful babies and vice versa.
0.5 Normal - Crawly, Bonnie, Sally, Oracle, and Silver
1.1 Spider - Parker and Clyde
1.0 100% Het Albino - Lucky
0.1 Cinnamon - Riddle
1.0 Lesser Cinnamon - Sinatra
1.1 Pastel Possible Het OG - Mellow and Squirt
0.1 Albino - Sunny
0.2 Mojave - Cassiopeia and Cleopatra
1.0 Pastel Yellowbelly - Jigsaw
1.0 Calico - Zeus
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Well you have low white pieds that can produce high white pieds. So a low quality animal can produce high quality. But thats not a guarantee and depending on whether you would consider low white low quality. But there's also high quality snakes like the lesser that could produce low quality animals. I think ralph davis said in one of his articles on his website that he had a high quality lesser, but the babies from her were different.
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Re: Can low Quality Pythons produce High Quality offspring
 Originally Posted by Maddumpling
Well you have low white pieds that can produce high white pieds. So a low quality animal can produce high quality.
I don't think you can really use pied white % as an example here. High or low white doesn't necessarily constitute quality (at least imo for pieds, although I do prefer high whites). I always considered bright color and a nice pattern as what determines a good pied 
As for quality, high and low quality animals can throw offspring that are quite different than the parents. It is still best to always breed animals with good qualities to animals that compliment those traits in the hopes of producing even better offspring (selective breeding).
Brittany Davis
0.1 Snow BCI- Isis
1.0 Hypo Motley het Albino BCI- Rupert
Ball pythons
1.0 Champagne, 1.0 Albino Spider, 1.0 Savannah, 0.2 Normal, 0.1 Het Toffee, 0.1 Black Butter,
0.1 Spider, 0.2 Pastel, 0.1 Enchi, 0.1 Albino
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While the babies you have are not the best quality that is true, you have a lot of time before they are big enough to breed, especially the girls.
So what I would do is save a little money out of each paycheck, heck even $20 a check will add up quick. Then just about the time those girls are ready to go, you can invest in a stellar male for them. Use him to make their babies better than they are. I picked up a really nice Fire male ready to breed for $250. Or if you can squeeze the money, get a double co-dom male and get a jump on making double and triple co-doms.
Or by the same token, save up a little money over the next 6 months while your male is growing up, and invest in one outstanding female. A breeding size normal female goes for around $125-$200, so shop around and find the sweetest normal you can get your hands on, and use her to boost the pastels and spiders your male will throw.
You don't necessarily need both parents to be exceptional to make nice babies, even one high quality parent will improve the offspring.
Gale
Gale
Last edited by angllady2; 10-26-2011 at 01:43 PM.
1.0 Low-white Pied - Yakul | 1.0 Granite het Pied - Nago
1.0 Mojave - Okoto | 1.0 Vanilla - Kodama
1.0 Pastel - Koroku | 1.0 Fire - Osa
0.1 het Pied - Toki | 0.1 het Pied - Mauro
0.1 Mojave - Kina | 0.1 Blushback Cinnamon - Kuri
0.1 Fire - Mori | 0.1 Reduced Pinstripe - Sumi
0.1 Pastel - Yuki | 0.1 Dinker Normal - Akashi
0.1 Ghana Giant Normal - Tatari | 0.1 Dinker Normal - Kaiya
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Angllady2- Yes I actually saterted saving already, Im saving for A high qaultity adult female, Still unsure Of which way to go, I have 4 Morphs Im considering,
A high qaulity adult
cinnamin
Butter
Lesser
Super pastel
which addition would be best to try and get my qaultiy up?
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Re: Can low Quality Pythons produce High Quality offspring
Think that depends on more of what you want to work with. I have a pastel, and I like butfers alot so my male will be co dom butter something for sure.
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Re: Can low Quality Pythons produce High Quality offspring
It can happen.... Ever see an attractive person with ugly parents that wasn't adopted? more than likely.... The same can happen with animals, high quality produced some ugly animals from time to time, and some time some low quality animals produce some awesome stuff
JUSTIN MITCHELL
PRIMAL SCREAM REPTILES
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Re: Can low Quality Pythons produce High Quality offspring
 Originally Posted by jmitch
Think that depends on more of what you want to work with. I have a pastel, and I like butfers alot so my male will be co dom butter something for sure.
yeah I know, I really like
Bee x butter
Bumble Bee Butter
Butter Bee
Butter Pastel
Bee x Cinny
Pewter Bee
Cinna Bee
And then If I could hit the odds, from one of those breedings and get one of the listed one above,
and make a killer bee from my two pastels, I would then breed the killer to one of them.
well that was the plan anyhow
Last edited by PythonOutlaw; 10-26-2011 at 08:17 PM.
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