Warning to anyone dealing with (mohammad . Mutaionsonly)

[smart1]

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too cut a long story short im posting this so as others dont fall into the same trap i have ....
i traded some royals about 4 weeks ago with (mohammad)for one of my spied hachling all seemed ok on arrival apart from a pied that had a big lump on its nose which i wasnt told about , anyway i decided to take the animals (which has now turned out to a big mistake on my part)
i housed these snakes alongside 3 of mine which were 100% healthy and which im hopeing still are .
2 weeks into haveing the royals they started developing RI wich i started treating with f10 and visted the vets , when i first contacted mohammad about this he was straight away saying he would pay for the vet bills .. a day later it had gone from pay for the vet bills to pay for 2 vet bills (which he did ) then another came down with RI , today ive recived the results back from the vets and they have stated its not something that would have just happened to the snakes over the last few weeks also to compound the problem 2 of the said snakes have started bleeding from the cloaca with the vet has told me that this 2 is a problem that couldnt have happend over the course of just a few weeks.
ive spoken to mohammad about this and have offered to get proof from the vet but he didnt want to no , all i wanted was the snakes that i have got from him to be returned and to be reimburst for them,but he is adament it is not his fault even tho the vets has stated otherwise and ive offered to provide proof...

to top it all off the vet gave the snakes 50/50 of making it which isnt good to say the least when speaking again to mohammad
he said he would have no trouble to have took them back if they were all heathly,but then that statetment kinda defeted the point !
i no from alot of people that mohammad is a trader of royals in a big way and has a high turnover of snakes due to this i feel that anyone buying from this guy needs to be very very carefull as the snakes may seem heathly but just because an animal looks healthy doesnt mean it is BE WARNED!!

[mues155]

You didnt quarantine your new animals? On that part its your fault for subjecting your snakes to the newcomers and whatever little illness they might have. They started getting an RI 2 weeks after you had them? thats why a month quarantine is so nice, just maybe something to think about for next time.

[llovelace]

, As stated above no QT?! Is your vet an experienced reptile vet?

[Rat160]

also you said they DEVELOPED symptoms 2 weeks after you had them.. seems to me this was a housing/care issue, and he paid your vet bills. Plus you chose to keep them even after you noticed they had issues. Plus no QT. Id say he made a reasonable effort to help you even though he didnt have to... just my .02

[wolfy-hound]

If you had the snakes for 2 weeks, it's difficult to say they "developed" RI in those two weeks from something they had prior to shipping. Normally(not always, of course) shipping brings any weaknesses or illnesses out in a snake. But if they took two weeks, that's awfully iffy.

If Mohammad offered to pay the vet bills on the snakes HE shipped to you, that's really nice of him. But if you chose to keep substandard snakes, and he said you could return them, you assume all liability for care. If he did not say you could return them(at the time of shipping, I understand he said no return NOW), then he should pay vet bills.

And yes, quarentine ALWAYS. If you're asking him to pay vet bills on animals he did not send to you(your animals which were exposed to the new animals) then that seems a bit unreasonable. You should always practice some quarentine so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, although I understand hindsight is always 20/20.

I quarentine EVERYTHING, including snakes from people I trust totally. I put one of my OWN animals into quarentine because it came into contact with a new animal. Paranoid? Maybe. Safer? Definitely.

Good luck with the ill snakes. I hope they turn around for you and get better.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

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today ive recived the results back from the vets and they have stated its not something that would have just happened to the snakes over the last few weeks [QUOTE]

I don't see how a vet identifying a RI, that you say developed over the two weeks you had them, could suggest with any certainty that the infection started prior to you getting the snakes.

Anyway, he has offered to pay vet bills.

He has offered you a full refund if you return the animals.

Sounds to me like he is a stand up guy that is doing everything he can to try to fix the situation. In fact, he is going above and beyond at this point what he has to do.

Don't know why you would come on here trying to flame him... What else do you expect him to do? LOL, if anything he can refer people to this post to prove he has good customer service!

[PitOnTheProwl]

You cannot flame someone when YOU are 100% at fault

You didnt QT.

He paid vet bills and would have taken them back.

Again....... YOU did NOT QT so your snakes are now open to any problems and who is to prove the RI might not have come from your end?? (First thing that pops into my thoughts)

[Freakie_frog]

I'm sorry that you have run into this and the proverbial dead horse has been well beaten with pointing out the lack of QT..

I'm no vet but I have experience with RI's and I can tell you I've had snakes develop RI's due to the stress of shipping and being in a new home in a matter of just a few week's. So in that fact your vet is incorrect I've seen it in my collection first hand..

Also people tend to focus on keeping their existing animals away from the new ones when the QT, but its two fold..there is the possibility that the new snakes might have caught something from your snakes and not the other way around..

Thanks for the info..

[smart1]

, As stated above no QT?! Is your vet an experienced reptile vet?

i housed the new snakes in a rub rack with 3 of my others so they didnt come into direct contact and the 3 i already had have been with me for 3 years and have been vet check and come back clear and yes the my vet is reptile qualified!

The whole point of this post was to inform others of the problems I have come across when dealing with this breeder, the fact I wasn't told about the lump the fact my vet has stated the blood from the cloaca found on two of the animals could not have been contracted in the few weeks that I'd had them and the fact that it wasn't just one snake we were dealing with but a good number of them with issues, all these things coupled with the fact that my vet gave them a 50/50 chance of survival, this is after treatment is testament to anyone who deals with this guy to be extra carefull...

[Rat160]

Do you have this guys info... I want to buy a snake from him. Thanks.