Do I have any good pairs.....

[L.West]

When I first got into bp's about 4 years ago - I strictly was buying snakes for pets. As my collection grew - I started to think about possibly breeding someday down the road.

I am just curious what pairs would make the best breeding project - here is what I have:

Male Ghost
Male Normal
Male Mojave (he is not breedable due to a previous prolapse)
Female Normal
Female Albino
Female Pied

Now, not all of these are up to the weight and age to breed right now - just asking for the future.

Any help you guys can shed on whether or not I have any good breeding groupings would be greatly appreciated.

Also, feel free to make any suggestions on what I should get next should I decide to breed.

Thank you.

[decensored]

Not really ... you have a really cool list of some of my favorite morphs unfortunately no matter what you breed up there your gonna end up with all visible normals with the possibility of hets. The only co-dominate morph you have is the Mojave and he's not able to breed.

Now if you were planning on breeding ALL your females, and breeding the produced snakes back to each other and the parents than you have a good chance of producing some of the above morphs and combinations of such.

This calculator is the best one IMO. And will tell you what you will produce with each combination. However all of the above (excluding the mojave) are recessive and will not show visibly in offspring.

http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx

You do have some cool snakes though and at least 3 of them are on my list to get in the future.

Cheers!
Chris.

[L.West]

Thanks for all your help - that was very informative.

Unfortunately, the Mojave was sold to me because he had a prolapse and the breeder felt that he was no longer breedable. I took him to a vet and found out that he had an infection/abcess that I then had operated on. The vet felt that he would be perfectly fine to breed again but I don't want to risk that with him.

I don't know that I will ever attempt any breeding but was just checking.

Although, if I was to get a male pied then I would be able to breed and get pieds right??

I basically just collect the awesome looking morphs that I enjoy looking at

[decensored]

Also, feel free to make any suggestions on what I should get next should I decide to breed..

Just thought I would add to this. In the future when looking for a snake to breed to your collection of recessives I would look for two types of snakes.

1) co-dominate morphs that are positive het for the snakes in your collection.

For Example:
If you were to get a pastel het. piebald and bred him to your piebald female you have the following statistical odds.

25% piebald pastels
25% piebalds
25% pastel 100% het. piebald
25% wildtype 100% het. piebald.

Those are great odds and a male pastel het. piebald is not gonna break your bank account.



2) multi-gene morphs.

I used this example in a thread about an hour ago but I;ll use it again here:

If you picked up a Fire Enchi and bred him to your normal female you would be looking at

25% Fire Enchi
25% Fire
25% Enchi
25% WildType (Normal)

If you bred the Fire Enchi to your Albino you would be looking at the same odds only all of the offspring will be 100% het for Albino (which is freaking awesome). You can get the same odds with a bumblebee (pastel x spider). And if you produce a couple of spider het. albinos you can breed them back to each other and get yourself a few spider albinos which are really cool.



These are just a few suggestions - hope they help .
Cheers.

[JLC]

If you want visual morphs right off the bat...then yes, you'd need to add some other snakes to your collection, but you DO have some really great potential there already.

If you put the ghost with both the albino and the pied, then you'll have babies that are 100% double hets...albino/ghost and pied/ghost.

Whether or not the albino/ghost is a project worth pursuing, I couldn't say...I don't recall ever seeing one....but a pied/ghost would be very cool. Double-recessive projects are far less common than dominant projects.

[decensored]

Although, if I was to get a male pied then I would be able to breed and get pieds right??

I basically just collect the awesome looking morphs that I enjoy looking at

This is why I'm getting into breeding as well - I want to get some really cool morphs (I have a list LOL) and I want to make them myself.

To answer your question - yes. If you breed a piebald to a piebald the offspring will be 100% piebald. This goes for all of your snakes. Hets. are the way to go though, as long as they are 100% and you trust the breeder, or produce them yourself .

Cheers.

[decensored]

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If you put the ghost with both the albino and the pied, then you'll have babies that are 100% double hets...albino/ghost and pied/ghost.

Whether or not the albino/ghost is a project worth pursuing, I couldn't say...I don't recall ever seeing one....but a pied/ghost would be very cool. Double-recessive projects are far less common than dominant projects.

I second this thought! I plan on producing lightning pieds in the future ( axanthic piebalds) Most smaller breeders don't play around too much with recessive genes because when you produce something really cool with them they are worth more than there is a market for them. People are more interested in buying co-dom morphs as everyone seems to be a hobby breeder now-a-days, and they produce visual offspring immediately and ergo will open in a more secure market than recessives. However if your interested in starting a project solely to acquire a cool morph for yourself than you have some cool potential there.

I wasn't trying to belittle your collection BY ANY MEANS. I am mildly jealous of it myself

Cheers.

[Chris633]

I agree with the others. I think you have some great potential there if you are interested in long term projects. I think I would pair up the ghost and pied (double hets ghost pied project) and then the mojave and albino (make a male mojave het albino and breed him back to mom). I'm actually planning on doing a ghost pied project myself so I am a little biased.. lol..

[tcutting]

I say Ghost pied but you would need at least another pair of them or already have a Double het ready for when the young get older to make ghost pieds.

[snakesRkewl]

I say Ghost pied but you would need at least another pair of them or already have a Double het ready for when the young get older to make ghost pieds.

Why?
Hold back 2 male and 3 female double hets and breed the males to the females and hope you make ghost pieds, no need for any other snakes to be involved

If I had only those to play with I'd throw the ghost boy at both albino and pied and make sure you have EXCELLENT record keeping so you don't confuse the babies after they hatch out as they will all look normal.
If that's too many double recessives then do the ghost to the pied and pick up a co-dom het albino for the albino girl or breed the ghost to the albino and pick up a co-dom het pied male.
Either way you have some good potential if your not afraid to play the double het game