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    Is there just a "lesser" or does it have to be "Lesser Platinum" or "Lesser mojave"..

    I was playing around with this genetic calculator I found online:
    http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx

    And it doesn't seem to list down just a "lesser" it has to be a "Lesser something"

    Would appreciate the input guys! :-)
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    So here's the deal. It's complicated, bear with me.

    Back some years ago, a guy named Ralph Davis imported a snake from africa. It looked weird. He named it the "Platinum".

    He bred the platinum, and hatched out normal phenotype animals, and something that wasn't a normal phenotype. However, they didn't look like dad, so he concluded that dad was more than just a single trait phenotype.

    The new babies, he called "lesser platinums".

    The founding snake phenotype is now known as "platty daddy", since that phenotype was the father to lesser platinums. The extra allele that makes them just POP and glow also acts similarly with butter-line animals, and that phenotype is referred to as "butter daddies".

    Lesser platinums are often called "lesser" for short.. just like many morph names have been shortened.

    Enchis were once called "Enchi pastels".
    Cinnamons were once called "cinnamon pastels".
    There are others, but I'm spacing on them as it's kind of late.
    Black pastels haven't dropped the "pastel" from their name yet, but they do add confusion to newcomers to ball python morphs.

    It's confusing, but I hope that I did a decent job of explaining it.

    Lesser = lesser platinum.

    Lesser mojave = blue eyed leucistic (with 1 lesser platinum allele and 1 mojave allele), since the locus for those two alleles is the same.
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    Here's an example of breeding a Platinum (aka platty daddy) to a snake that carries the allele that works in combination with the "lesser platinum" trait to make actual Platinums that look like the original imported animal.

    http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/birthi...ons_2_2010.asp

    scroll down to clutch 17

    You can see, some animals look normal.
    Some animals look like "lesser platinums" (aka "lessers")
    There's one that looks like the lessers, but is brighter and glows. That's a platinum.

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    Wow, thank you so much sir! :-) You explained it pretty well! Now I totally get it!

    I was thinking of getting a lesser down the line after I get my bee.

    Much appreciated sir!
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    Im lookong at pairing a bee with my lesser.. Nice clutches from what ive seen
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    Re: Is there just a "lesser" or does it have to be "Lesser Platinum" or "Lesser mojav

    Quote Originally Posted by Simplex View Post
    Im lookong at pairing a bee with my lesser.. Nice clutches from what ive seen
    is that how you make a queen bee

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    From the very little research ive done... Its about 12.5% for a bunch of different morphs
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