Snake ID: Is this an Enchi or a Fire *scratches head*

[Bruce Whitehead]

I feel kinda dim asking this but not sure if this boy is an enchi or a fire.

He came from an fire x reduced normal breeding, in which the female seems to have a genetic propensity for reduced offspring.

But last season she threw two 100% reduced enchis, and this one has that same pattern, islands on the back, one long alien head near the tail, reduced sides, and a nice "salmon" colour to him.

At first I though "nice, a smoking fire" then the more I looked I thought maybe an enchi, except for the brownish patches on the sides, as none of the enchi babes she threw last year had that coming out of the egg, they were the cleanest snakes I have ever seen.

Here are the pics...

Firstly the suspect snake.









Here is one of the enchis she threw last year, and if it weren't for these snakes I would not have questioned it.

But as noted, the two that looked like this were much cleaner, with just a nice pure salmon colour to them, with no melanin on the sides. So here is the comparison shot of one of the enchis, as I am wondering if she retained sperm?



Any advice would be appreciated (and yes, I know to wait till he sheds out).

Thanks for looking, and advance thanks for any advice,

bruce

[Aes_Sidhe]

*scratches head* I swear i post here few minutes ago ... ok One more time..

I dont see Enchi in first baby so.... but wait why You think is fire if is from normal/enchi breeding.. Did you Pair That Normal with fire as well ?

[snakesRkewl]

Weird, the first one looks like a fire to me.

[Kymberli]

*scratches head* I swear i post here few minutes ago ... ok One more time..

I dont see Enchi in first baby so.... but wait why You think is fire if is from normal/enchi breeding.. Did you Pair That Normal with fire as well ?

This was my question as well. How could you suspect Fire if it was Normal x Enchi pairing?

[python_addict]

Can you post pictures of the normal? I think it looks fire-ish but where did fire come from?

[Bruce Whitehead]

Ugh, my bad...

This season she was exclusively paired with my Fire, but last season she was exclusively paired with my enchi and threw a six egg clutch.

My goal was to produce a genetically reduced Fire, and last season I held back all the reduced normals and enchis as I think that the mom is genetic, but want to prove out the line first.

Last season she threw.

2 100% reduced enchis.
2 reduced normals (that look a lot like mom).
2 normals.

In both clutches the reduced babes had a decidedly distinct pattern... long islands on the back, faded heads, and reduced alien heads.

bruce

[Bruce Whitehead]

The enchi sire...



The fire sire...



The normal female...

[Matt K]

For what it's worth, it looks like a really nice Fire to me.

Cheers,
-Matt

[RichsBallPythons]

Dont leave out the possibility of Enchi Fire, But i see Fire mostly in first pictures

[Kymberli]

Similar head pattern that the Enchi sire has, but my guess would be Fire.