What is the significance of a "ringer"?

[tikigator]

Hey all! I have been searching through the archives for over and for definitions and explainations of the significance of a "ringer" and have not been able to find any answers.....

I see a lot of advertisements that say 'normal female with ringer' or "spider with ringer' etc.....I thought (please correct me if I am wrong!) that a "ringer" was a white or yellow obvious mark on a het pied snake that is a "marker" or "sign" that is is het pied......

But I see all types of morphs with "ringers" that are not advertised as het pied.....as an example in your photo....is that female het pied? so her "ringer" is her het pied marker?

I guess my questions are:
#1 is a yellow ringer and a white ringer the same thing?

#2 does a "ringer" only signify if a snake is het pied?

#3 if not, then what is the significance of other 'ringers'

Examples:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=ringer (this does not say anything about the snake being a possible het pied...?)

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=ringer
(how about this one? is she just a normal? or are they insinuating that she may be het pied?)

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=ringer
(this one is 50% het pied....but because of the ringer that probably means he IS het pied?)

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...ghlight=ringer

Ok I think you all get the idea. I just purchased a pastel 100% het pied with a MAJOR ringer (so much so that we thought he *could* be a pied, just the most minimally white pied EVER, haha, but really is just a ringer)


I would just appreciate some "Ringer 101" info....thanks all!

[Redneck_Crow]

Het pieds seem to throw a lot of ringers, but it's not proof. Ringers turn up in snakes that are not het pied. I've got a female with a ringer. She is het pied. I saw pics of her clutchmates, and the other hets did not have ringers.

It's a neat thing that happens once in a while, but it doesn't mean anything for certain.

[Freakie_frog]

They look cool!

[Toronto Python Gurus]

Ringers usually happen with het pieds, I had some ringer cinnamons and super cinnamons from the same two cinnamons when paired together, ringers arnt exactly genetic more of just a random occurance that seems to pop out

Here is a link check out post #15
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...genetic+ringer

[Dave Green]

I've produced a couple het pieds with ringers but there are plenty of ringers that are not pied related. For example neither of these animals are het pied...

[tikigator]

I've produced a couple het pieds with ringers but there are plenty of ringers that are not pied related. For example neither of these animals are het pied...

That's actually the thread I did read and was wondering if that female was het pied....or the ringer was nothing more than a crazy marking. I just see people advertising snakes with ringers and I didn't know if that meant they were something special over and beyond what they already were (like the pewter with the ringer....he's just a pewter....with a marking that means nothing really)

Thank you all for the clarification. I just tend to see SO MANY ads now that have "high gold ringer" etc and I didn't know if that was a sure-tell sign of something.

Good to know

[tikigator]

Haven't gotten him yet (needs to shed and eat) but here he is with his 2 pied clutchmates....





He came from a Piebald X Pastel Het Pied breeding.

[Dave Green]

Haven't gotten him yet (needs to shed and eat) but here he is with his 2 pied clutchmates....





He came from a Piebald X Pastel Het Pied breeding.

Awesome snake, he's really cool!

[angllady2]

As far as I can tell, ringers are just odd balls. Pun definitely intended.

Ringers have nothing to do with het pieds, although a lot of het or supposed het pieds have them.

Truthfully, I bet if you did an in-depth study, you'd find more non het pied ringers than het pied ringers. People for some reason tend to claim the ringer as an indicator of a het pied, but it's not always.

Yellow ringers and white ringers are the same thing, the color change is based on the snake's body color.

The fastest way to tell a low white pied from a ringer is the pattern. A ringer has the standard alien-head pattern of a normal ball, with a patch of white usually rimmed in orange of various sizes.

A true low white pied may carry what appears to be a ringer, but the body pattern is all wrong. The pied gene shatters the standard pattern into streaks, splotches and squiggles that may or may not contain something vaguely resembling an alien head.

I'm posting a pic of my own low white pied, so you can see what I mean. While his only "pied" marking could easily be a ringer spot, you can tell by his pattern he's pied.

Gale

[tikigator]

As far as I can tell, ringers are just odd balls. Pun definitely intended.

Ringers have nothing to do with het pieds, although a lot of het or supposed het pieds have them.

Truthfully, I bet if you did an in-depth study, you'd find more non het pied ringers than het pied ringers. People for some reason tend to claim the ringer as an indicator of a het pied, but it's not always.

Yellow ringers and white ringers are the same thing, the color change is based on the snake's body color.

The fastest way to tell a low white pied from a ringer is the pattern. A ringer has the standard alien-head pattern of a normal ball, with a patch of white usually rimmed in orange of various sizes.

A true low white pied may carry what appears to be a ringer, but the body pattern is all wrong. The pied gene shatters the standard pattern into streaks, splotches and squiggles that may or may not contain something vaguely resembling an alien head.

I'm posting a pic of my own low white pied, so you can see what I mean. While his only "pied" marking could easily be a ringer spot, you can tell by his pattern he's pied.

Gale

Thank you for your response and your photos!

Yeah at first when I saw the pic I thought he could be one of those "worlds most minimal white pieds ever" but the pattern did give it away. I am still very excited to see what he produces though....and even if he isn't a true "piebald" he sure fooled me for a few seconds