So what do you do with your "normals"?

[MasonC2K]

If I understand breeding morphs correctly, if there's a normal looking baby in clutch then it is X% possibilty of being HET for one of the parent morphs. And you have no way of knowing accept to grow them up and breed them.

So when it comes to selling these "normals" as babies, do you sell them as normals with normal pricing or do you bump them up because of the unproven potential?

I've seen some sites sellling "proven" breeders for higher pricers than a standard normal. I can understand that. However, I also see sites selling hatchings or yearlings that could not have possibly bred to be proven for similar pricing.

Is there a scenario where you can know that all the babies are 100% HET for something without breeding them?

Thanks.

[dr del]

Hi,

Yes.

It depends of the genetics involved in the pairing.

Read this and see if it makes it any clearer.

And this is a good page that shows the outcomes visually.


dr del

[purplemuffin]

If you were to breed a het albino to a het albino you would have a chance at normals, het albinos, and albinos. Hets look just like albinos, so most people sell them as 66% possible hets for a price between het and normal. It allows the buyer to gamble and hope they hit the odds on getting a het.


An albino to a normal or to a het albino would make all 100% hets! You know this because the albino carries two sets of the gene, and HAS to pass on the albinism trait that the child now carries. Even if it got the normal gene from the other parent, the albino gene is still in there, guaranteed.



there are three types of morph genes. Dominant, co-dominant, and recessive. ONLY in recessive genes do you find hets. You will never see a 'het for pastel', but you will see 'het for pied'

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/
Use this wizard! It can show you what morphs come from what breedings

Try leaving one side blank (to represent normal) and put the morph on the other side. That way you know what sort of hets or normals you would get!

[MasonC2K]

Thanks guys. I had read that before but it didn't really click until now.

[stratus_020202]

First thing is that a non-visual het only applies to recessive genes. You can not breed a pastel to a normal and get a normal het for pastel. Any visual super recessive animal will produce offspring that are 100% het.

The more you do it, the easier it gets to understand. But, I have seen a lot of 50% hets sell for normal pricing, and I'm sure there are some that are just sold as normals. That's a lot of work to prove out something that may or may not carry the trait you are looking for. On the other side, it's an inexpensive way to try and get the morph you want.

[zues]

As far as the babies go I personally sell all male possible hets as normals. Females are worth the risk so they can be sold for more than a normal. Over the years I have personally sold about 10 pos het snow males to pet stores as normals. I hope someday someone get an awesome surprise.

[Akren_905]

I think it was some one like you i got my surprise from now i just have to figure out what it is.

And people who want a ball and dont want to pay alot still love normals there pattern is still mezmerizing to the average folk.

[Russ Lawson]

I typically sell wild-type phenotype possible het males at the same price as normal males, but mark them as possible hets in my ads because it's always nice to let people know what they may have on their hands. I used to sell them as normals to a pet store I did business with before it went out of business thanks to the big chains moving in and the economy taking a dump. After all, pet store males don't usually end up becoming breeders.

[seeya205]

Just make sure if you are buying hets that you get them from a well known breeder that you trust and you really only want to buy 100% hets because it takes a long time to raise them up so you want the best possible chance at hitting the odds! 66% or 50% het is rally taking a big gamble and you may only wind up with normals and the money you make won't pay for your time or cost! Normals are great pets and most of us start out buying a normal as our first ball!

[Highline Reptiles South]

amen on that a 66 or 50% het doesn't really mean a whole lot to me either.

I have a local pet shop that will purchase normals for $20-$25