breeding options with a male pied...

[thedude5623]

I've always wanted to try breeding ball pythons and have been researching a little bit more lately...I've always kept just one snake at a time in the past..currently I have a male pied around 300g and was curious what would be best to pair him with someday down the road?? Odds are I wont but I was just curious what I could potentially do with him considiring its kind of a waste not to breed such a nice snake...I am very uneducated on what certain combos will produce..thanks for any help in advance-

[thedude5623]

OK.. if I were to breed him to a female pied would all the babies be pieds?? How do you get the albino pieds?? Other than them two I haven't really seen any others produced..maybe a bumblebee but that snake was all white but a small spot on his head..why aren't there more forms like a Mojave pied? I'm probably asking some pretty dumb questions but I don't know the answers..

[CLSpider]

There are albino pieds, spider pieds, bumblebee pieds, pastel pieds, mojave pieds, yellowbelly pieds, fire pieds, and I know I'm missing others....but those are ones that came to my head right away.
If you breed a pied to a pied, you most likely won't get all pied babies (but heck, you could get really lucky!).To produce an albino pied, I suggest getting an albino het pied female.

[Kinra]

If you breed a pied to a pied, you most likely won't get all pied babies (but heck, you could get really lucky!).To produce an albino pied, I suggest getting an albino het pied female.

pied to pied will produce all pieds. Both parents carry 2 copies of the recessive, meaning all of the children will be pieds.

Also a female albino het for pied breed to a male pied only has a chance of producing pieds het for albino and normals het for both pied and albino.

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Breeding one of the pieds het albino back to the female albino het for pied will give you a chance of producing albino pieds.

[OhhWatALoser]

There are albino pieds, spider pieds, bumblebee pieds, pastel pieds, mojave pieds, yellowbelly pieds, fire pieds, and I know I'm missing others....but those are ones that came to my head right away.
If you breed a pied to a pied, you most likely won't get all pied babies (but heck, you could get really lucky!).To produce an albino pied, I suggest getting an albino het pied female.

actually he will get 100% pieds with a pied x pied.

to make albino pieds you need at the very minium an double het pied/albino bred to another double het pied/albino. breeding them yeilds these results...

getting snakes genetically farther will increase your odds, to use your male pied, you would breed him to an albino, the babies would all be double het pied/albino. breed them together would give you the above results.

[CLSpider]

Oh god, forgive me ....it's been a looong day for me!

[thedude5623]

Well this is more like it!!! Thank you all for helping..well kind of lol..its still pretty confusing but my main question WAS if I were to breed him to another pied I would have all pieds!! I think thats what makes sense to try...It sure would be a fun experience...Now I just need to try to educate myself more on rack setup and other breeding requirements and Ill keep my eyes open for a female...

SO, to better understand the only way I can gaurantee say for instance albino pieds is to breed an albino pied with another albino pied??.... I have 0 chance of getting one by combining my normal pied with a reg albino?? Thank you-

[Chris633]

If you bred your male pied to a female albino, you would only make normals heterozygous for both the pied and albino traits. To make an albino pied you would have to raise a male/female pair of those normals het for albino & pied and then breed them to each other. And even then, you only have a chance of making an albino pied. You will also possibly make pieds, albinos, normals and normal/hets.


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[thedude5623]

Cool...thank you I am starting to understand a lot better now...if I were to say get 3 girls what would you guys recommend? I think one of the 3 would be a female pied...any suggestions for the other 2??

[yardy]

Cool...thank you I am starting to understand a lot better now...if I were to say get 3 girls what would you guys recommend? I think one of the 3 would be a female pied...any suggestions for the other 2??

My ongoing plans for my male pied are breeding him next year to:
1) My poss het peid girl (again if she doesn't go this year-he has already bred her but I don't think that she is going to take it any further this year)
2) A female orange ghost to produce double hets and
3) my pewter female if she is big enough, for pastels, cinnamons and normals all het for pied + a female pewter het pied would be amazing but I don't think that I am likely to be that lucky!

After that the list is a long one. The following year depending on what else happens maybe he will be put to a super pastel or yellow belly for some more useful co-dom's het for pied and maybe sometime to a female lavender