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I am wondering why most breeders are now starting to put het for .... on almost all their snakes that produce a super form. I understand that technically it is a het, but when I think of a het I think of a recessive gene such as albino, caramel t albino, clown ect..... I don't think they should say het for ivory or het for lucy cause some of your unexpected customers think that they have to spend an extra 100 dollars on the snake cause now it says het. I saw with my own eyes at a reptile swap a breeder with a lesser with an extremely high price on it that said het for lucy. The customer bought him instead of the on 2 tables down cause it was a het. Just my opinion! What do you all think about it?
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Just as you said I think it's just to try and get a little extra buck out off it. For the people who dont know genetics seeing that would make them buy it over one just labeled lesser. But I don't do it on my animals. I agree it's not het for BEL or super pastel or super ciny lol.
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Well I guess I thought about it and yes a lesser is het for Lucy technically speaking because a BEL is the homozygous form and lesser it the heterozygous . But I see what you sayin.
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Funny I was thinking the same thing the other day. I have noticed more and more ppl putting "het for" on more morphs that most enthusiast already know about.
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Personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It should have been done from the beginning. It is what they are heterozygous for a mutated gene whether it be butter, pastel, yb...ect. Heterozygous, homozygous, recessive and dominant are covered in high school biology.
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I have a spider het Bananabee het Black Bee het Bumblebee het Butterbee het Calider het Cinnabee het should I go on?
I think it could get quite silly soon in particular the base morphs are het half the designer morphs out there. I think that there needs to be some system for naming new morphs and for what breeders can and can't call het.
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Well, I guess I don't agree. Let's say, theoretically I wanted to buy say, a caramel, and I went to a show or looked online for one....I would just buy a caramel, and not a caramel het for albino. Because I have no interest in nor would want to introduce albino into anything I might be producing. However, if I was really looking for a caramel, and was already working with albino, I might rather have the caramel het for albino. So when I look at something I might like to have, I want to know what it might be het for, in case I am already using that particular morph. Then I'd have another animal to throw into the mix.
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Re: Why?
 Originally Posted by kellysballs
Personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It should have been done from the beginning. It is what they are heterozygous for a mutated gene whether it be butter, pastel, yb...ect. Heterozygous, homozygous, recessive and dominant are covered in high school biology.
I agree with this ONLY if you are doing to help explain to the new owners the potential of the snake. If it used to MISLEAD a NEW customer, then that is cruddy IMO.
Last edited by dr del; 04-24-2011 at 10:30 PM.
Reason: replacing censored words
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What I don't like is the wording "X" het for "X" can be taken a few different ways. and then people want to argue if its het lucy or het lesser, in reality, its saying the exact same thing since its the same gene, being called heterozygous.
Lesser - Heterozygous
Lucy - Homozygous
boom, end of story, no confussion
I think the problem is actually the people jumping into this hobby and not learning genetics 101, seems like everyone knows what dominant, co-dominant, or recessive means, but doesn't know what heterozygous or homozygous means. het and homo are as basic as it gets, its like learning multiplication before addition, you can do it, but its a lot less confusing if you know the basics.
How many times have you herd someone say their "het pastel" and someone pips up and says "there no such thing as a het pastel, its a co-dom" ...... i would advise you learn the basics, just because our lingo shortens or removes words, still doesn't change the fact that every pastel, is in fact a het pastel.
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Re: Why?
 Originally Posted by kellysballs
Personally I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It should have been done from the beginning. It is what they are heterozygous for a mutated gene whether it be butter, pastel, yb...ect. Heterozygous, homozygous, recessive and dominant are covered in high school biology.
yeah but to sell the snake for 100 dollars more then what it should be sold for is not right.
1.3 2010 Lemon Pastels
0.1 2010 Spider
0.1 2010 Mojave
0.1 2008 Normal
0.1 2009 Normal
1.0 2005 Normal
1.0 2010 100% het Caramel Albino
0.0.1 Crested Gecko
0,1 Leopard Gecko

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