nature does, why not help her along?

[sookieball]

according to nat-geo. hybridizing has already begun and they have proof.
everyone on this forum has their own opinions on the matter.
we've all seen burmballs, and blood-balls.
i dont really like either, but hey, if its possible and nature seems to be doing it already. take a look, and comment below,




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...69_600x450.jpg

[RichsBallPythons]

Umm because what nature does and what we do with CAPTIVE species is not the same in any way shape or form

[sookieball]

Umm because what nature does and what we do with CAPTIVE species is not the same in any way shape or form

true.

but why, if its possible and doesn't cause a shift in an ecosystem, should it be so wrong?

what if by Xbreeding species actually is a step in the right direction?

[RichsBallPythons]

true.

but why, if its possible and doesn't cause a shift in an ecosystem, should it be so wrong?

what if by Xbreeding species actually is a step in the right direction?

If your such a believer then go mate with a ape,gorilla and so forth. See if anything comes out of it.

This isnt a simple comparison to what captive animals do to wild ones. Out snakes are not wild caught but born in captivity.

And most if not all Hybrids in reptiles come from sub species from parts of the world they would never come across one another in the wild.

[sookieball]

If your such a believer then go mate with a ape,gorilla and so forth. See if anything comes out of it.

well now no need to be rude.

i do get what your saying.

i wanna hear what people who are xbreeding or people who have
think or what their opinion is.

[anatess]

A big problem to this is proper Identification. When you cross-breed, the animals have to have a good record trail so that the offspring will always be marked with its hybrid to avoid diluting the original species line. Make sense?

In the canine world, they have organizations that make sure the original species stays pure, I haven't seen one crop up in the reptile community. It would be cool if the big guys like Brian and Ralph can start one - even just for the sole purpose of certifying hets - then they can cover certifying cross-breeds too.

[redstormlax12]

Its just another thing the human population doesn't need to try out. I am not completely against hybrids, but I dont care for carpets mixes or carpet X balls and so on.

Humand DO NOT need to "help" nature. We always think we should be fixing when really our fixing usually makes things worse. The world will still go on after we are extinct, just as it did before we were here. We need to stop interfereing by "helping".

[Miss Tuniwha]

Just because something DOES happen.. doesn't mean it SHOULD happen..

I am NOT a fan of these mixes.. And just because they have seen it in the wild.. doesn't mean that it is a "natural" occurrence (in the sense that there is happening, and has been blah blah).. could there be a reason? was there a lack of the similar species? etc? or did they just say "hey, look what we found" and not go into the other specifics of the surroundings.. That is the part I would be more interested in reading about.. the "WHY" of the cross breedings..

again.. just my thoughts.. and I am tired.. so it might be sloppy thoughts.. LOL

[WingedWolfPsion]

For PURELY captive animals, such as all of the pythons we have here in the US, which will NEVER be introduced into their native habitats, I see absolutely no harm in hybridizing. However, I think it's much too early to be doing it, because we REALLY need stable and reliably used registries for these animals before we start mixing species.

As has been pointed out, there's no problem with hybrids, the problem is what people do with them--if they're sold as pure, then the buyer has no idea what genetics they're getting, and may then breed the animal, and continue to pass the offspring along as pure. This doesn't bother the animals at all, but it distresses the owners.

In the wild, hybridization occurs when species come in contact one another, and usually when the environment is under stress, and one species is forced into the niche of another. Hybridization is part of the huge tool chest of evolution. We are probably a species that arose from hybridization ourselves.

As for chimps and gorillas...I've often been very curious about that. If you ask, you're always given a firm 'no, it's not possible'. But if you look into it, you will see that it has NOT actually been disproven. Now that we know that chimpanzees and bonobos are actually in Genus Homo, and NOT in a different genus....it's easy to see that it's not only possible that humans might be able to successfully hybridize with them...it's actually very likely. VERY likely. It's just that no one has managed to complete any experiments to prove it. If anyone is working on this at all, it would be in secret, away from public censure, as it's not likely to be a very popular line of research. People get really uptight when you try to erase the artificial line between humans and other species.

If you think about it, what would the problem be? The offspring wouldn't be human, sure, but we are starting to lean toward granting great apes special rights anyhow. The being itself would probably not have any serious issues...it would just force people to think really hard. I think it would be good for them to have to think really hard.

[OhhWatALoser]

I honestly never understood purists lol.