Fireball Question

[Pals BP]

Hello,

I have been away from this site for a while because I got into boas a lot more than pythons and have a good collection started. Now I am contemplating adding some BPs into the mix as well and have some questions for the experts in this area!

I really like the fireballs and that they can produce black eye leucistics. However, from my understanding fireball x fireball can produce leucistic, fireball, and normals. I am not really a fan of producing normals, as they would probably not sell as well as the morphs. I was wondering if I were to do a fireball x albino breeding, could this produce an albino fireball? If so, would an albino fireball x fireball still produce leucistics plus fireballs, albino fireball, albinos, and normal het albinos?

I'm just trying to figure out these genetics for bps, and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Subdriven]

Fire to albino will make Fire 100% het albino and normals 100% het albino. If you bread a Fire albino to a fire then you would get luctistic 100% het for albino, fire 100% het albino and normals 100%.

Only way your going to get a fire albino is if BOTH parents are albino or Het for albino, and atleast one parent has fire in it.

[Pals BP]

Fire to albino will make Fire 100% het albino and normals 100% het albino. If you bread a Fire albino to a fire then you would get luctistic 100% het for albino, fire 100% het albino and normals 100%.

Only way your going to get a fire albino is if BOTH parents are albino or Het for albino, and atleast one parent has fire in it.

This is helpful, thanks. It must be too early for me, I messed up a fairly simple thing about the albino gene! So this would be a long project, but if I got to the point where I could breed a fire albino x fire het albino, then I could get leucistics, fireball het albinbo, albino fireball, albinos, and normal het albino? No such thing as het fireball, correct?

[Pals BP]

I forgot albino leucistic too...this would be a wild pairing if it could prove out this way!

[MitsuMike]

I forgot albino leucistic too...this would be a wild pairing if it could prove out this way!

Similar to a Polar Ball, which is a BlueEL Albino just now it would be a BlkEL Albino.

[NicCron]

Hey, I'm new around here. If you are interested in BP genetics you should really check out http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard it is really cool. You have to CTRL click the base morphs to calculate double co dom. For instance. click pastel, then hold CNTRL click spider, That would bee a BumbleBee. Hope this helps!

[Pals BP]

Hey, I'm new around here. If you are interested in BP genetics you should really check out http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard it is really cool. You have to CTRL click the base morphs to calculate double co dom. For instance. click pastel, then hold CNTRL click spider, That would bee a BumbleBee. Hope this helps!

Hmm, that told me that an albino x fire = het albinos and fire het albinos. Would both visual genes not be present in at least some of the animals to make albino fireballs? If so, how can you tell them apart from their normal albino siblings?

Thanks

[TessadasExotics]

The only "visual" gene would be the Fire. The Albino gene is recessive. So yes a Fire bred to an Albino would give you Fires 100% het for Albino and Normal looking ball pythons 100% het for Albino.
****edit----I take that back or should I say let me add that Yes an Albino is a visual morph too but it needs 2 mutated genes to show its self. An albino can only pass on one copy of the mutated gene. So one Albino can not make an Albino unless the other snake too caries the Albino gene.


Fire is co-dominant
Albino is recessive

Co-dominant and dominant require only one mutated gene to be visual morph.
Recessives need 2 mutated genes to be a visual morph.

[Pals BP]

The only "visual" gene would be the Fire. The Albino gene is recessive. So yes a Fire bred to an Albino would give you Fires 100% het for Albino and Normal looking ball pythons 100% het for Albino.
****edit----I take that back or should I say let me add that Yes an Albino is a visual morph too but it needs 2 mutated genes to show its self. An albino can only pass on one copy of the mutated gene. So one Albino can not make an Albino unless the other snake too caries the Albino gene.


Fire is co-dominant
Albino is recessive

Co-dominant and dominant require only one mutated gene to be visual morph.
Recessives need 2 mutated genes to be a visual morph.

I keep messing this albino thing up today...I know better! So lets say you pair a fire het albino x fire het albino to produce visual albino fires. What do these look like?

[Subdriven]

One thing you missed up top on your list of pssoable offspring waht your lucistics would be het albino.