breeding loan opinion (pastel pied x pastel het pied, pastel pied x spider het pied)

[BjDavid]

hi. we are having a hard time figuring out how to go through with this breeding loan. i own both the female pastel and spider het pied. my partner said they wanted it 70:30 ratio but i told them that this is impossible since the hatchlings wont be 100% the same. i told them that if a super pastel or a bumblee bee pied hatched that would be theirs and the rest of the clutch should be mine. how would you guys do it? thanks in advance.

[cinderbird]

ive never done a breeding loan, but from what i understand the person doing more of the work gets more of the reward. If you're the one with the females, you should get more since you have to document the breedings, keep track of the females, and then the clutches, incubate the clutches, etc.

Draw up a contract with EVERYTHING. what if your animal gets sick, what if one of his dies/gets lose/is bitten by a rodent/etc. Who gets first pick. What if neither of the clutches are good? what if neither female lays, etc. There is a lot to think about. You should go through an itemized list of what may hatch and then go through it from there. If you want a male pastel het pied (and one hatches) and he has no use for it, that should probably be one of the animals you take, etc.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Split is usually done based on the value of the animals entering the breeding loan, favoring the person with the most valuable animal.

[JLC]

Well...seems like you've got two issues in play. One person has the more valuable animals...but the other person is doing all the work. Personally, I'd consider a 50/50 split fair...or maybe even a 60/40 favoring the owner of the more valuable animals. 70/30 seems heavy handed...unless you're turning your females over to him (which would be a mistake, as I understand it...a change in environment could put them off of breeding for the season).

Of course the clutches will likely have a variety of animals of different values. The owner of the more valuable animal should get first pick....then you pick one...then they pick one...etc. Whether that is "first pick" from EACH clutch...or first pick from the combined two clutches is up to the two of you to decide.

I agree with the idea of writing up a contract. No matter how much you trust each other, a contract will help make sure there is no misunderstandings in communication. Write up what should happen in every worst-case scenario you can think of. Write up exactly how each clutch will be divided. And write up exactly what the responsibilities are of the person keeping the snakes for breeding and incubation. Then, during the process..DOCUMENT everything! Take pics of locks, keep feeding records, pictures of clutches, etc etc. Breeding loans (especially with expensive animals!) should never be entered into lightly.

[771subliminal]

unless you're turning your females over to him (which would be a mistake, as I understand it...a change in environment could put them off of breeding for the season).

only problem with that is the owner of the male has a differant sort of risk.

1. he can no longer run his male through any of his other females.
2. what is to stop the person who has his male from running him through all of their females. no matter how much u think u know and trust someone they can always do something shady.

[BjDavid]

only problem with that is the owner of the male has a differant sort of risk.

1. he can no longer run his male through any of his other females.
2. what is to stop the person who has his male from running him through all of their females. no matter how much u think u know and trust someone they can always do something shady.

My partner has 2 male pastel pied so i think there is no problem with that. because of this i thing it would be better for my to keep the male instead of them keeping the females. what do you think?

[mechnut450]

the one loan I workingonthis year ( not finalized yet) I told the person that I only be interested in a visible female and or the female het that will be used to produce the eggs, since she wants to produce a visible female.

I have the a male of the breeding weight ( her's is not yet) but she has the het female ( mother to the male she she has) I not after many more snakes right now. outside a buter(or lesser), pinstripe, females. outside that I not needing hets or more than 1 visible morphs of each sex lol

[J.Vandegrift]

IMO, I think if you are already having issues deciding on who gets what you should just not do the loan at all.

If you are set on doing it I would only do it if you let him take first choice from the clutches, you get second, and then alternate from there. IMO, his pastel pied male is not reaaly worth all that much more than your adult breeder female Pastel het pied and spider het pied so I definitely wouldn't give up 70% of the clutch (not sure how you would figure out what 70% is anyway).

If it were me I would say forget the whole thing and just buy a male pastel het pied. You can probably find one for $500, you will still probably end up with the same amount of visual stuff that you would have got with the loan and you won't have to worry about who gets what.

[Bruceweb]

I'm doing a breeding project with a breeder 50/50..no hassle, i dont care about the value, people just need to be straight with each other i think, breeding loans benefit both parties if people aren't greedy