Multiple Dad's

[Animals As Leaders]

How exactly does this work? Specifically male pin, male bee x pastel female?

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

Multiple sires happen when 2 (or more) sires are bred to a female in the time period her follicles are ready to be fertilized. This can happen when a female retains sperm, and/or gets bred to many different males in the time period given. Resulting in a double, triple, or how ever many sired clutch.

Meaning

a double sired clutch from 1.0 Bee, 1.0 Pin, and 0.1 pastel

you can get normals, pin, spider, pastels, super pastels, lemon blasts, bees, and killer bees.

But i do believe double sired clutches effect the odds. (My personal opinion.)

[shelliebear]

So do her eggs get fertilized by more than one male's sperm? I've wondered this question too, OP, thanks.

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

So do her eggs get fertilized by more than one male's sperm? I've wondered this question too, OP, thanks.

If there is two sires, yes.
There can be more than two sires aswell.

The most males ive seen fertilize a single clutch is 3. But who really knows how many can do it, or if there is a limit to how much sperm a single female can retain.

[shelliebear]

Wow! As a freak about the mechanisms of human reproduction, that is absolutely astounding to me. How interesting that a female can retain up to 3 different male's sperm!
Does this happen very often? And yeah, I think it would definitely affect the odds--you get less room for your typical odds, especially recessives, when you throw in a whole 'nother gene pool and group of odds.
Like, if it was a 1 out of 4 chance for an Albino and you threw in another recessive, your chances would be cut in half of getting just an Albino, right?
But then it's more likely for combos...I think.
Am I right or am I speaking word salad right now?

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

lol!

Well, think of it this way...
A female has say... 10 follicles growing in her.
A single sperm has to fertilize each follicle to produce a viable egg.
So this being said a female (in theory) have ten different males fertilized 10 different eggs.

Now, combos can only be produced from Male x Female, not the mixing of sperm.

so, say you had a double sired clutch from pastel and spider males, to a normal female...
No bees would be produced, just pastels, normals, and spiders.

This is because only one sperm can fertilize a follicle.

I hope this helps.

[steveboos]

Wow! As a freak about the mechanisms of human reproduction, that is absolutely astounding to me. How interesting that a female can retain up to 3 different male's sperm!
Does this happen very often? And yeah, I think it would definitely affect the odds--you get less room for your typical odds, especially recessives, when you throw in a whole 'nother gene pool and group of odds.
Like, if it was a 1 out of 4 chance for an Albino and you threw in another recessive, your chances would be cut in half of getting just an Albino, right?
But then it's more likely for combos...I think.
Am I right or am I speaking word salad right now?

Yes, but when you have multiple Sires, the breeder will usually choose all Co Dominant traits since you get the most variety this way and more chances of hitting the high dollar snakes. Recessives are tough enough to get when you breed Het's unless you breed Homo-Homo snakes to get 100% of the babies representing the trait.

[shelliebear]

Ahhh. Makes sense. Thank you.

[FIEND_FO_LYFE]

steveboos has a great point.
Many times when you have females, that you breed with many males, you know this can happen. That is why when specifically breeding for something, you keep those genes and not mix with others.


And, No problem

[Animals As Leaders]

lol!

Well, think of it this way...
A female has say... 10 follicles growing in her.
A single sperm has to fertilize each follicle to produce a viable egg.
So this being said a female (in theory) have ten different males fertilized 10 different eggs.

Now, combos can only be produced from Male x Female, not the mixing of sperm.

so, say you had a double sired clutch from pastel and spider males, to a normal female...
No bees would be produced, just pastels, normals, and spiders.

This is because only one sperm can fertilize a follicle.

I hope this helps.

ahhh!!

I get it now!!

Thanks for clearing that up!