what x what = ?

[mommanessy247]

a black pewter...?

[hunter94]

Pastel x Black Pastel

[rjk890]

Yeah, Cinnamon or Black Pastel x Pastel makes a Pewter.

Black Pewter lets you know that a Black Pastel was used to make the Pewter and not a Cinnamon.

Some people say that Black Pastels and Cinnamons are the same.
I disagree, and I hate seeing one advertised as the other.

[mommanessy247]

ive seen pics of black pastels & cinny's & i agree, theres a ton of difference in them.

[snakesRkewl]

Some people say that Black Pastels and Cinnamons are the same.
I disagree, and I hate seeing one advertised as the other.

They are "similar" like mojo and butter are "similar" to each other.
They are not the same and I don't see people calling them the same

[JenEric Reptiles]

They are "similar" like mojo and butter are "similar" to each other.
They are not the same and I don't see people calling them the same

think you mean lesser and butter

[Oxylepy]

think you mean lesser and butter

Eh, I'll say more as a middle ground in difference leaning to the mojave side.

[JenEric Reptiles]

Eh, I'll say more as a middle ground in difference leaning to the mojave side.

what ?
Im confused as to what either of you are saying..........Yes they produce similar off spring but a Mojave and a Lesser are in no way Similar..........pattern or color........i dont see people getting confused with a mojo and lesser..............
i see people getting confused with a lesser and butter................ the same as they get confused when they see a black pastel and a cinny

[cinderbird]

Yeah, Cinnamon or Black Pastel x Pastel makes a Pewter.

Black Pewter lets you know that a Black Pastel was used to make the Pewter and not a Cinnamon.

Some people say that Black Pastels and Cinnamons are the same.
I disagree, and I hate seeing one advertised as the other.

ive seen pics of black pastels & cinny's & i agree, theres a ton of difference in them.

They are "similar" like mojo and butter are "similar" to each other.
They are not the same and I don't see people calling them the same

The pastel x black pastel makes a black pewter.

And as far as one being labeled the other... Some black pastels look like classic black pastels. Some look line cinnamons.

Some cinnys look like a standard cinny, others look like black pastels.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...n+black+pastel this thread is a GREAT example of how similar the two morphs can be.

I believe that the lesser and butter, and cinnamon and black pastel are two different but compatible strains of the same mutation.

[jsmorphs2]

I believe that the lesser and butter, and cinnamon and black pastel are two different but compatible strains of the same mutation.

I agree.

BUT there ARE clear examples of Black Pastels and Cinnys that look nothing alike. Butters and Lessers are harder to distinguish even between two great examples of each.