Weird Het Questions

[ted1025]

Just sitting in class bored and wondering if some of this stuff was possible.

I know het caramel and het albino are not compatible as in if you breed the two together you would just get normals.

My questions is what if you bred a visual caramel to a visual albino, would all the babies be DH for caramel and albino?? thus, if you get a little boy, you could then bred him to a bunch of different het caramel and het albino girls and get caramels and albinos depending on the girl..???

just some weird thoughts i had lol

[OhhWatALoser]

thats how it works.

could also breed 2 dbl hets together and have a 1/16 chance of a albino caramel albino. which i would assume would just look like an albino lol.

[ted1025]

really?? i didnt think the caramel and reg albino lines were compatible

[Bruceweb]

really?? i didnt think the caramel and reg albino lines were compatible

As far as I am aware they are not..something to do with T+ & T- genes I think

[Turbo Serpent]

really?? i didnt think the caramel and reg albino lines were compatible

They are not compatible, but the fact of the matter is that you would then have a double recessive animal, similar to a caramel glow (hypo x caramel albino), so the regular T- albino would dominate and pull all of the pigment out.

Granted it would be a breeding monster, I don't see a point in it. Similar to trying to produce a BlkEL/BEL combo.

[ted1025]

Yea I dunno if there is a point in it, I was just bored in class wasting some time LOL

I mean I guess to someone there could be a point but again just being weird thinking about crap lol

[RandyRemington]

Most everyone has always assumed that regular albino and caramel would be incompatible and that the double homozygous would look like a regular albino and be a waste of the caramel mutation. Both are probably correct assumptions and I even got pointed to a breeder who posted on doing the cross last year but at that time no results where posted. Would think if the double hets unexpectedly popped out caramel looking someone would have said something but I'd still like to hear for sure.

[Russ Lawson]

As far as I am aware they are not..something to do with T+ & T- genes I think

I just wanted to clarify something for you with regards to this. The T+ and T- are just the different classifications of albinism with regards to the mechanism which causes the phenotype. The mutation causing T- albinism (the more common form of albinism) turns off the production of the enzyme tyrosinase. Because tyrosinase is responsible for manufacturing melanin, the animal lacks black or brown pigment. The mutation causing T+ (or caramel) albinism results in mutated tyrosinase enzymes, which fail to produce melanin. Because of this, the animal has no black or brown pigment. However, because tyrosinase is still present in the animal's skin, the animal takes on a sort of bronze or caramel colour in the places which would have black or brown colouration on the wild-type. I believe the colour of tyrosinase is attributed to the presence of copper in its active site.

[kc261]

I believe the colour of tyrosinase is attributed to the presence of copper in its active site.

Here is a sort of random thought that popped into my head when I read this. If the caramel color of caramel albinos is related to copper, would feeding them rodents raised on hog feed (high in copper) have any affect on their color?

[Russ Lawson]

Here is a sort of random thought that popped into my head when I read this. If the caramel color of caramel albinos is related to copper, would feeding them rodents raised on hog feed (high in copper) have any affect on their color?

There is a possibility of this since often the production of proteins is based on concentration gradients. I actually discussed this idea in another thread located here: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111563 (4th page)