A Friendship Dilemma

[revxus]

So a good friend of mine sold me a pair of juvenile Dumeril's Boas, and a pair of adult Coastal Rosy boas for a price of only $335 including shipping. Good deal, right?

I received these snakes and didn't see anything obviosuly, or physically wrong with them. These were the snakes that were going to get me back into herps, after a long hiatus.

Anyway, less than a month later I noticed a mite infestation in my Dumeril's enclosure. I had them in a huge glass tank in my son's room. I was forced to do a thorough cleaning of the cage and its contents and the snakes are being treated for mites now.

At this same time, I haven't been successful at the Rosy's accepting feeder mice either. So I decided to call and ask him, this is when he mentioned they were W.C. and so I thought, "oh, maybe they're just getting into hibernation mode and refusing the feeders."

But, I decided to weigh them, and to no surprise they seemed a bit under-weight. Also, at the time of their arrival I did notice that the female's nose had a scale missing, like it had been rubbed against something and fell off.
I called him and told him about it, but he didn't think much of it and said "well, you got a good deal on four snakes!" as if I shouldn't be complaining about the issue?

Anyway... I kept them. But the Rosy's are still not eating and losing weight fast. I'm breeding my own mice, too, hoping that perhaps darker-colored mice will do the trick, as I was advised from the local herp society.

I'm in a dilemma here, I don't know if I should ask for my refund or what. Can this be justified?

[flynn]

If it were me I would at least ask for a refund. If this person truley is a 'good friend' then they should be understanding about the fact that what you got, wasnt what you were looking for.

"Hi, you sold me some wild caught mites with a snake on the side."

Best of luck.

[Southernshooter]

A refund should be justified if you wanted it, But keep in mind you would be sending them snakes back to such apparently poor conditions, Unless you think the snakes will not make it, I am sure they will have a much better life with you

[BPdude911]

You got yourself in a bit of a tie, huh?lol. I would call and ask him if I could ship them back to him using ShipYourReptiles.com

[revxus]

Ok, so he's offered me a refund, without the shipping, of course. That's just a loss we both take. I accept that.

But... I'm afraid the rosie's in particular may not make it. We're both in California though, so they wouldn't be traveling far, just from SoCal to NorCal on one overnight trip.

[wilomn]

Purchasing wild caught coastal rosy boas.....

Who sold you these animals?

For those who don't know, this is illegal. I'm sure the OP does know this.

What was that guys name at Fish and Game you were friends with again? It may be time to give him another call.

[revxus]

Purchasing wild caught coastal rosy boas.....

Who sold you these animals?

For those who don't know, this is illegal. I'm sure the OP does know this.

What was that guys name at Fish and Game you were friends with again? It may be time to give him another call.

Yes, I know this is illegal. It's in the game code! He didn't disclose this information until after their arrival, and after I complained about the "missing scale" issue and the apparent refusal of feeder mice.

And unlike you, I'm not a "snitch" so call F&G all you want, Wes.

My only concern here are the animals being unhealthy, and doing the right thing for them. They are here now, and they cannot be released as this is also illegal to do.

[wilomn]

Turning in smugglers, which is basically what you've done as you've recieved animals that were illegal for you to purchase, which you knew, yet did anyway, is snitching? I think not.
Perhaps your time behind bars was not long enough. Perhaps you are longing to return. Don't know, don't care BUT, once again, AGAIN, you have flaunted the laws that those of us who care, abide by.

I'd like to know who is engaging in the illegal trade of Native Ca. species. If you won't share, you're just as guilty, especially since you know that without a permit and the ever important number that goes with it, you CANNOT sell Ca. Rosy Boas in Ca.

You know that.

[revxus]

Turning in smugglers, which is basically what you've done as you've recieved animals that were illegal for you to purchase, which you knew, yet did anyway, is snitching? I think not.
Perhaps your time behind bars was not long enough. Perhaps you are longing to return. Don't know, don't care BUT, once again, AGAIN, you have flaunted the laws that those of us who care, abide by.

I'd like to know who is engaging in the illegal trade of Native Ca. species. If you won't share, you're just as guilty, especially since you know that without a permit and the ever important number that goes with it, you CANNOT sell Ca. Rosy Boas in Ca.

You know that.

Thanks for the educational advise, but no thanks.

In quoting my original post, and again in my reply to your first post I will again say this individual disclosed this information AFTER I questioned their health AFTER their arrival.

You're wasting your time in lecturing me about laws and regulations, because as YOU ALREADY KNOW I'm not here to give explanations. If you're not going to CIVILLY reply to a post, then get the hell outta here. Bottom line.

[wilomn]

Thanks for the educational advise, but no thanks.

In quoting my original post, and again in my reply to your first post I will again say this individual disclosed this information AFTER I questioned their health AFTER their arrival.

You're wasting your time in lecturing me about laws and regulations, because as YOU ALREADY KNOW I'm not here to give explanations. If you're not going to CIVILLY reply to a post, then get the $@%# outta here. Bottom line.

You know that to buy CalKings, Gopher Snakes and Rosy Boas IN Ca. you have to purchase from someone with a permit. By LAW an invoice WITH their permit number must accompany all purchases of permitted native reptile sales.

You bought Ca. Rosys from a guy in Ca. As brilliant as you are, you knew it was illegal, didn't you? Only a total moron or complete attention whore would make that purchase knowing what you know.

You're not a total moron or complete attention whore as well as law breaker, are you? I mean, how dumb would someone who already knows the laws have to be to not only break those laws but then come to a public forum whining for sympathy because he broke those laws.

I guess as dumb as you are, given the facts that you have provided.

This is just what we need, a repeat offender in the spotlight again, making those who are law abiding look all the worse for being ASS ociated with the likes of you.

Thanks petey, thanks ever so much.