Andrew/Ashley Hager You Decide

[Royal Morphz]

Ok guys this is an account that started in the early part of 09. I wanted a logo designed for Royal Morphz and I commissioned Ashley (Hagar) to design what now has been the face of Royal Morphz. The Piedbald BP drawing with the glowing red text is what I have been branding as Royal Morphz since day one. She started on my logo but couldn’t finish it because of not knowing how a piece of software ran.

This is where I was introduced to Andrew Hager (Ceradigital.com on most forums). He took over and pretty much I never dealt with Ashley directly again. He brought up that my logo would look nice on a business card (which is something I wanted as well) so he shot me over the file to get to the printer.

We started what I would consider a friendship, he advised me on photography equipment and I picked up quite a bit of info from him. Well one day I brought up the idea of a website, I mean I had the logo and the snakes why not get a website going. He said he knew how to build websites and started figuring out what we wanted. The website was to be done for $350 dollars which I offered to pay a portion up front, but he declined. I just figured we might work it out in trade or something. He set out on working on it. I never really saw anything that showed me he was doing any work on it, but I was excited. Around the time I was getting ready to attend the NARBC show in Anaheim he let me know the site would be up and running by 9-20-09.

Now fast forward to 10-10-09 and he finally got me a screen shot I would estimate we started the talks in maybe May 09 about the website. So with a screen shot there I went out and bought my hosting for the Site. Now he had explained that he had some software that would allow me to have an online store. Now I have to admit this sounded really cool in theory, but once he started showing me about it there was one major flaw. I didn’t think anyone would want to put there credit card info into a new BP breeders new website. So with that said I did ask him to scrap that for a traditional available page.

One day Andrew asked me to send them money toward the site so he and Ashley could put some money down on a Ruppel line Super Pastel. I didn’t have the funds in paypal and was getting ready for a show and I told him if a sale went through I would paypal it over to them. It didn’t go through and I told him up front I was sorry but I didn’t have the money. He said ok and then I notice that the site is down and in its place was a nice construction page. I didn’t question him on this and it was set up that he call me on Monday 11-09-09 to walk me through the available page layout and teach me how to add and delete ads. Come Wednesday and I hadn’t heard from him I went with a different designer.

Within about 60 hours I had RoyalMorphz.com up and running. Now I post up a few good guy posts for the Designer and on one of the forums (I will link it at the bottom of this post) Andrew posted he thought I stole his design for the website. Now I will tell you that the new designer just used what I gave him he did not know that I didn’t own the website design. When I changed the design then the topic with Andrew changed. Now I had stolen the logo that I bought previously, apparently I just bought the logo for use on my business cards??????? I mean who would have thought I would have had to buy my logo each time I chose to use it. Now this is where I must admit ignorance, I didn’t know that there were files that I should have requested when I got the original logo design. Now this is my fault in of it’s own.

Andrew went on to complain that I misused a rendering of my logo, which is an outline of my Piedbald BP logo. So I removed it now lets count I have changed the website design and now taken off an outline of MY logo. Then he states in the linked thread that I can take the logo and do whatever I want with it (it’s my logo of course I will use it as I see fit). That neither one of us has paperwork on the matter and its basically a dead subject and then its back to my website design is a rip off again. So I don’t know what to do about this so I stop posting for the most part.

I take a few days off cool down a bit and PM him saying hey we are adults and need to work this out. So just to see what he wanted for the files that so far everyone I’ve spoken to said I should have gotten in the first place. No response to that then out of the blue today 11-18-09 I get a call from Andrew. I answer because I want this over with, he says that he has spoken with a copyright law firm and they advised him that we can work it out or take it to court I told him I wanted to work it out and find a number that they wanted for the work. A few hours later I get a call and he has a number but also Ashley wants a public apology (for what I don’t know) along with $500 dollars for the files. Now I almost choked, $500 dollars for logo files I had already paid for. I mean I was thinking $100 bucks, the whole website was only supposed to cost $350 lol. Well I told him that was out of the question as I could get another logo drawn up for around 200 bucks.

We kicked a few more options before saying you know what we don’t want the files. Then they bring up a lawyer again, now I don’t know if Andrew knows me very well but my father was a lawyer and well before he passed he made sure all of us kids went to college so there are a few more lawyers in the family. If I know one thing when you are threatened with a lawsuit you quit talking right then I had ignored this point earlier, this time I was not. I told Andrew that I wanted my logo to stay as is and for him to have his attorney contact us.

Now I ask you this I am on these boards a lot if anything would let you know I posted what would it be I think it would be MY logo. This is just a information thread and should be looked at as such. But what do you think would you pay for you logo again and again to use it as you see fit.


You can view most of the earlier debate here: http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=13150

[rabernet]

Because Andrew and Ashley are both no longer able to post on BP.net, nor able to make a defense here, and because Tim posted this as an informational thread, I will be locking this thread and removing all posts except for Tim's original post.

If you would like to follow this as well as have an opportunity to hear Andrew and Ashley's side of the story, should they choose to respond, Tim posted this same information on the BOI and on the BLBC, and those threads can be found here: http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=155662 and here: http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=13329