First clutch....Bitter sweet

[Albert Clark]

Could your pastel be a pastel lesser?

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That is a good point! This is turning out to be a real "who's your daddy" saga! I still think the" amphogenia retardata "has something to do with the making of this hatchling. If not , it's a good differential. Nice job Joe!

[joelouis821]

Could your pastel be a pastel lesser?

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To me he doesn't look anything like a Lesser.

[Izzys Keeper]

These are from WOB. not saying he looks exactly like one. Just trying to help make sense of things

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[joelouis821]

These are from WOB. not saying he looks exactly like one. Just trying to help make sense of things

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Thanks. I believe if the male has a BEL complex 2nd gene it is something more subtle, like Mocha or Russo. Lessers are usually pretty easy to spot IMO. I am leaning toward this being a case of retained sperm until proven otherwise. I will be keeping this hatchling, so it may take a few years but i will figure this all out.....eventually

[Asherah]

It's unfortunate that you lost all but this guy, but dang it turned into a pretty neat little mystery. Keep us updated on the other clutch and post progress pictures on this lil one!

[joelouis821]

I am stumped! Here are a few post shed pics. As you can see, there is a yellow dorsal stripe and the eyes are very dark with a black Iris. One interesting thing that is hard to pick up with my crappy camera is that the lower half of the snake is creamy white, but the upper half has a purple hue. It may be a while before I figure this out for sure......because it's a SHE!

[Asherah]

Seeing these pictures I think I'm going to have to toss my vote for yellowbelly. It would account for dad still being so bright and mom's elongated alien heads. The next 3 ish years are going to be the longest of your life!

[Solarsoldier001]

Looks like yellowbellies. That appears like an ivory. That's what I thought when I saw the first pic. Looked like it had somewhat of a head pattern. But it was so light it was hard to tell. As she sheds. The color/pattern will just get more definite. Congrats on the one beauty!


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[joelouis821]

Seeing these pictures I think I'm going to have to toss my vote for yellowbelly. It would account for dad still being so bright and mom's elongated alien heads. The next 3 ish years are going to be the longest of your life!

This is why I love this forum! I was so caught up with the BEL complex with the Mom being a Mojave, that I never even considered this possibility. If this little one is indeed an Ivory that would be a crazy and unexpected result as neither the Sire or the Dam were sold to me as anything more than a Pastel and a Mojave. Then again, this hatchling has created quite a bit of head scratching already. Thank you all for your help and opinions trying to figure this out! After the latest replies I am more confused then before....lol. But now I have noticed another small detail.....RED PUPILS!





So now the question is....IF she is indeed an Ivory......Is she just an Ivory, or a Pastel Ivory, or a Mojave Ivory, or a Pastave Ivory LOL!

[Asherah]

For comparison sake I snatched up my ivory and took him outside for a few quick pictures. He's about 700g and also has a possible second gene floating around though nothing your working with. Excuse a lady for the dirty fingernails. It's my first day off in more months than I wanna count and I have done nothing but lady in bed, play skyrim and eat cookies... which are apparently still sorta hanging around. Lol






Whatever yours turns out to be she's for sure a pretty thing! Breed the parents again next year and maybe you'll have some faster answers.