Free Mouse NJ

[xdeus]

Quote from a fantastic movie Finding Nemo " Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat"

toilet, since drowning is one of my personal biggest fears, lack of O2 from constriction or from being underwater isn't too much different i would have to think technically, i may be wrong. It is also similar to using CO2 to uthenize an animal. I still don't agree with it but just thought i would throw those possibilities out there.

Actually, it's quite a bit different. Constriction is much faster and although it's probably traumatic, it's over relatively quick. The animals usually die from elevated blood pressure/heart failure in addition to the lack of oxygen. Using CO2 (if done correctly) will anesthetize the animal so that they essentially fall asleep before dying.

Drowning on the other hand is a very cruel way to kill any mammal.

[wildlifewarrior]

Actually, it's quite a bit different. Constriction is much faster and although it's probably traumatic, it's over relatively quick. The animals usually die from elevated blood pressure/heart failure in addition to the lack of oxygen. Using CO2 (if done correctly) will anesthetize the animal so that they essentially fall asleep before dying.

Drowning on the other hand is a very cruel way to kill any mammal.

Well (im still not saying its right) but using CO2 to anesthetize the animal causes a build up of CO2 in the bloodstream the same as lack of O2 when drowning. I still don't advocate flushing any animal. I also don't believe in letting the little guys free in the wild even if it is summer. releasing an animal which doesn't belong there into the wild can have detrimental affects on native environments. Just look at what has happened to FL or Australia.

~mike

[jglass38]

Well (im still not saying its right) but using CO2 to anesthetize the animal causes a build up of CO2 in the bloodstream the same as lack of O2 when drowning. I still don't advocate flushing any animal. I also don't believe in letting the little guys free in the wild even if it is summer. releasing an animal which doesn't belong there into the wild can have detrimental affects on native environments. Just look at what has happened to FL or Australia.

~mike

However, by the time it builds up enough to cause death, the anesthetizing of the animal has already taken place. It is a painless death and there is a reason it is one of only two recognized methods of humane euthanization. Big, big difference between humane euthanization and drowning an animal in the toilet.

[Ginevive]

Drowning?! That is just cruel. Drowning is a relatively slow, suffering-filled death. After almost having drowned myself years ago, I think it'd be a horrible way to put something down.
I put my rats down by quickly whacking them on a hard floor. Instant death, no suffering or any idea that something bad was about to happen. But I almost always feed live and let nature take its course anyway.
I sincerely hope that if any newbies are reading this thread, they realize that drowning is Not the way to euthanize a mammal.. sheesh.

[Ginevive]

Why dont you let him free. But away from your house you know .....

What...? Let free a domestic, pampered mouse into the natural world? This has to be the most ludicrous thing ever.. that would be a slow torture as the mouse either etarved from not knowing how to hunt for feed in the wild, or a quick death (this would be the best case for the mouse) from a hawk or wild snake getting it.. not to even go into detail about natural climate/weather as opposed to that of being in a tank..

[herplover92]

Has the mouse been picked up?

[juddb]

Dang i was just joking i know shes not gonna let it free....... Sorry

[monk90222]

Let free a domestic, pampered mouse into the natural world? .

Not to mention that the mouse is probably white...not good for camoflage......

[frankykeno]

It's just a mouse - Flush it

The simple fact that anyone has to tell you that flushing a living creature down a toilet is a wasteful, inhumane act is for me quite disturbing, that you would post this as a viable option, even more so.

The concept of "just" a feeder says a lot to me. This "just" creature is the sole and only food source for a snake. Showing inhumane or careless treatment of the rodents, shows me a person that may not value the source of life for their snake. I'm certainly not a PETA supporter, nor do I spoil and pamper every rodent I own...many of them are slated as feeders and the others have roles as breeders. However, neither do I ever treat them in a manner that disrespects their vital role in life, both as prey and as living creatures themselves.

Equating tossing a living mouse down a toilet with the natural predator/prey dynamic of snake and rodent is a pointless comparison. One is natural, the other is simply an inhumane and lazy way to deal with an unneeded prey item. If you are going to feed live, you are bound to make plans for unwanted feeders...that's just a part of being a responsible snake keeper as far as I'm concerned.

[jotay]

This is just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
First off flushing a mouse down a toliet is plain just not right, period.

That being said I find it rather humorist how those that fed live ( Yes I am a live feeder ) can make that ok and humane in their minds. I understand the calling of it natural ie in the wild this is they way of the world. But putting a mouse in a box,tub,cage to where it has no way to escape or hide or run for it's life is not natural. When a snake coils around a mouse it does not die sudden or slowly go to sleep. It feels fear and that is seen as it struggles and makes sounds. The constriction slowly shuts down their heart and they die.
Sorry but in my eyes nothing humane about that. Tho, it is a fact of the hobby. If you want to keep snakes and feed live then that is a necessary evil of the hobby.
Picture this, would you rather have sudden head trauma and die suddenly or would you rather be put into a cage w/ a huge snake and be coiled around a have the life squeezed out of you ? Which form of death would be most humane?