Mystery clutch- BEL dad?

[Armiyana]

I have a mystery on my hands!
Technically two mysteries...but this first clutch is much more frustrating.

The pairing I was working towards was:
0.1 banana het pied (unproven het)
1.0 cinnamon pastel sandblast het pied
Mom may be carrying another gene (I thought maybe yellowbelly) since she's got a lot of orange blush as well.

But it looks like a BEL her previous owner had may actually be the sperm donor on this clutch... I was pretty surprised by this one. And since it is unexpectedly different... I need another set of eyes on these guys.

Here's the clutch before shed and individual photos after shed.
Gallery: https://imgur.com/a/D0rfFpf








Unrelated clutch...
Super pastel lesser spider x 'normal'
But wanted an extra eye on this too since the queenbee and pastel lesser seem almost too bright. Was thinking maybe vanilla...?

[KingPythons]

Last clutch I see three pastels one lesser pastel, bee, and a lesser bee. I won’t guess on the first clutch lol sorry.

[nikkubus]

Agree with the last pic IDs

The first clutch I'm guessing the BEL was Mojave Special. My best guess is:
1 Special Banana
2 Special Banana
3 Mojave
4 Mojave
5 Special

I can't find a Special Banana pic to verify it would look like that, but since the colors are still pretty dark and the pattern isn't shrunk down as much as most BEL complex morphs would make it, I think it fits. Specials can have nice flaming and blushing, which would fit 1, 2, 5 better than anything else I can think of. I'm not certain that's what we are looking at, but it's a guess. Even 3, 4 have some pattern funkiness that doesn't match Mojave, so there might be something else in the dam causing weirdness and some other explanation for what we are seeing. Het Pied could be causing some weirdness too, so it's tough to say.

Do you see anything telling in the belly of any of them that might indicate strong chance of het Pied? Does the dam have funky pattern or just really bright?

[Armiyana]

Mom had some heavy orange blushing. Otherwise no other real markings for me to go on either.
More photos of her: https://imgur.com/a/HSd0w2U

Funny you should mention the banana specials.
I hatched coral glow special fire out last year.
Wild crystal enchi pastel het orange ghost x fire Mojave CG het OG clutch.




https://photos.app.goo.gl/hk3NaHVfY3VqEo6R6 is the only photo I can get of the BEL. Who looks very not crystal unless he's masking with something like my pastel, fire and orange ghost


Edit:
And now this whole post has me thinking what if I did this to myself...and may have accidentally paired my crystal and this banana one weekend.
I had a lot of stress going on...and my brain was mush. So an undocumented accident is not off the table.
Nikkubus you may have found my problem! Thank you
Now to make myself super strict note cards for things next year. XD

[nikkubus]

You are right, that BEL does not look Crystal at all. But maybe you did that pairing and forgot? I wouldn't bet my life on it or anything but it may just be. I can't think of what else would do it, but maybe I'm derping out and there is something else. At the best of times pairing time can be stressful and busy so I wouldn't put anyone past forgetting something like that

It's always fun trying to guess these confusing clutches with you

[Armiyana]

TYTY
It's been.... "a time". lol. I made a rant post about it here a bit ago to let off steam. (It helped a lot)
And I appreciate the time you take in looking at my confusing babies. I am gonna try for less confusing pairs next year. lol.

I have a suspicion that maybe this is a dual sire after all. At least with how different #5 looks and how dark one of the bananas is to the other.

1 of the mojaves looks a bit more tan so I think it's actually enchi as well which definitely puts my crystal into play. So the brighter banana could be Special.
Was thinking maybe low expression cinny on the other banana since it's so dark on the purples, but could just be a plain ol banana.

5 has me thinking YB for sure with that headstamp. I poked Osborne to see if maybe he thinks it's YB sandblast (maybe het pied). Which would be the pewter for a sire as he's definitely het pied and Osborne agreed he had sandblast as well.

[nikkubus]

Were you thinking 4 has the enchi? The pattern looks a bit squared like enchi likes to do and the eye stripe does look a bit thicker too. I could see 5 possibly being YB with how bright the flaming is and a little more distinct than that whole area blushing out like the others. Maybe fire is contributing to some of the brightness and blushing in the Bananas too, I'm not sure. There are so many different factors to think about in this clutch and my brain just wants to melt instead of function lol.

[Armiyana]

Yeah. Thinking Mochi on 4. The opps male crystal would be enchi and pastel as well. No fire in that male.

So the thoughts so far would be:
Crystal sire:
2 Banana Special (maybe yb)
3 Mojave (maybe YB or Pastel)
4 Mojave Enchi

Possible cinny pastel sand last het pied sire:
1 banana (Darker and less BEL like pattern)
5 YB poss sandblast

[nikkubus]

Oh okay I see what you mean now and I got the Fire mixed up with the Mojave dam instead of the Crystal sire. 1 looking closer at what I can see of the belly towards the tail it looks like it has tracks too but that could be het Pied so I don't want to rely on that bit. 2 has much heavier blushing in the head instead of just that W shaped headstamp YB can get sometimes. I don't have any idea how sandblast looks on non-Pied.