Breeding

[Jarrodbrooks87]

how all those I thought only lesser, butter, Mojave,Russo and phantom make bels

I thought the same 5 made beld

[Jarrodbrooks87]

Here is a rough idea of the colors, but keep in mind yours could be a combo of two different ones. It's unlikely to be any from the last group.


Usually white super:
butter
lesser
russo
bamboo

White to creamy super:
special
mocha

White to silvery super:
Mojave

Stronger color and patterns in super:
het daddy (I've never seen a super, but it likely is the closest to normal of anything in the complex)
phantom
mystic

mines really white

[Jarrodbrooks87]

mine is pure white basically and i figured since the mom is normal it would mostly make normals this will be my first time breeding

mine is perly white too

[Jarrodbrooks87]

In other words, you are assuming that the normal gene is the dominant gene and the white gene is the recessive gene in a dominant/recessive relationship. This is the most common relationship and the safest to assume pending more information.

Latest information is that most of the members of the blue-eyed leucistic (BEL) complex of genes are codominant (aka incompletely dominant) to the normal gene. And many combinations can produce a more or less white snake.

List of known gene complexes in the ball python: https://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Dominant/recessive relationship:
Genes in pair | appearance
--------------------|--------------
gene 1/gene 1 | appearance 1
gene 1/gene 2 | appearance 1
gene 2/gene 2 | appearance 2

Gene 1 is the dominant gene, and gene 2 is the recessive gene.

Codominant (aka incomplete dominant) relationship
Genes in pair | appearance
--------------------|--------------
gene 1/gene 1 | appearance 1
gene 1/gene 2 | appearance 3
gene 2/gene 2 | appearance 2

Appearance 3 could be more or less intermediate between appearance 1 and appearance 2. Or appearance 3 could be more extreme than either appearance 1 or appearance 2. Or appearance 3 could be the same as appearance 1 in some parts of the body and the same as appearance 2 in other parts of the body.

The relationship between two genes is a relative relationship. It is not a built-in property of a single gene. It is quite possible for one gene to be dominant to a second gene, recessive to a third, and codominant to a fourth member of the gene complex.

but I'm really thinking of waiting and thinking of breeding with my lesser fire

[Armiyana]

mine is perly white too

Because it's the same snake...?

Anyway. Yours is most likely going to end up as lesser/butter or lesser/butter and Mojave if it was a pet store.

If you breed to a lesser fire you'll end up with a mix of whatever genes are in the BEL in every hatchling. Those hatchlings might also end up as BEL, Fire BEL and whatever the genes are + fire.

Unless the BEL is actually a BlkEL. Lol. But that's a different can of worms.

[Jarrodbrooks87]

You should get either all of one type of BEL complex morph or half and half of two different ones.

These are the different morphs in the complex that I'm aware of:
lesser
het daddy
butter
mojave
moca
phantom
mystic
russo het leuc
special
bamboo

Some of these make up pretty white BELs and some make some with a little more color or pattern. There is also always a possibility there are other morphs in there that don't show and you could end up with some combos if there are.

Im thinking of waiting the 2 and a half years to breed with my lesser fire