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    Are morphs more than a colour scheme?

    I am wondering if there are any genetic differences between morphs other than basic colouring? I'm thinking size, temperament, eyesight, hearing, striking power/speed, muscular strength, movement differences etc.

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    Re: Are morphs more than a colour scheme?

    Well I can give you one example: the spider gene. Sometimes if a snake has the spider gene they get a "head wobble". This doesn't really hurt them, and they can be completely happy and healthy, it just makes their movements a little odd, sideways (sometimes), and well, wobbly!

    as for other morphs? I'm not sure, but there is probably some other examples the more experienced hobbyists/breeders on here can give you.
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    other than birthing, reproductive and neurological issues, ball python morphs do not affect anything but their looks.

    the Desert gene female cannot reproduce and she will either not produce viable eggs, or die while passing eggs.

    the Spider gene comes with a neurological affliction that causes their famous wobble.

    some genes, when crossed, produce babies that are inviable or are more prone to life-threatening defects, such as Super Spider (lethal), Caramel Albino (kinking), or Champagne x Spider pairing (lethal).
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    Re: Are morphs more than a colour scheme?

    Quote Originally Posted by tttaylorrr View Post
    other than birthing, reproductive and neurological issues, ball python morphs do not affect anything but their looks.

    the Desert gene female cannot reproduce and she will either not produce viable eggs, or die while passing eggs.

    the Spider gene comes with a neurological affliction that causes their famous wobble.

    some genes, when crossed, produce babies that are inviable or are more prone to life-threatening defects, such as Super Spider (lethal), Caramel Albino (kinking), or Champagne x Spider pairing (lethal).
    Just as I said, more knowledgable people lol. Besides tttaylorrr knows her stuff, always really helpful :3. Thanks for the info! I learned somethin' new too haha. Never knew that reproductive issues can be the result of certain morph genes
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    yes, morphs are more than basic coloring. for example, morphs are also a pattern scheme.
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    Is there anything to the statement that piebalds have a tendency to be more difficult feeders than other mutations? I know my two pieds give me more fits than my other snakes, but it is pretty small testing pool.
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    Known issues:

    Spider, Woma, HGW, Champagne, Spotnose, Sable, Cypress (and I will assume Bongo) -- Neuro to some degree or other
    Spider, Woma, Champagne, HGW -- Lethal super form
    Champagne x Sable, Spider x Woma, Champagne x Spider, Champagne x Woma, Champagne x HGW -- Lethal or severe impairment
    Caramel, SuperBlk, SuperCinny, 8Ball -- Kinking
    SuperBlk, SuperCinny, 8Ball -- Duckbill
    SuperLesser/Butter -- Bug-eye
    Pied with BluEL complex -- Microphthalmia
    Desert -- Female breeding issues



    Rumoured/anecdotal/unsubstantiated:

    Pied/het Pied -- Problem feeders
    Spider, Woma -- Extra strong feed response
    Desert -- Delayed development and/or dwarfism
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    Re: Are morphs more than a colour scheme?

    Quote Originally Posted by asplundii View Post
    Known issues:

    Spider, Woma, HGW, Champagne, Spotnose, Sable, Cypress (and I will assume Bongo) -- Neuro to some degree or other
    This is news to me, who have you seen report this?

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    This is the first time I've ever heard of problems with the cypress gene. I've also heard that all black ball pythons are super aggressive. And my lesser pied has really small eyes but doesn't seem to affect her at all. I have quite a few spider genes, some of them have a head wobble and some of them don't. All of them feed perfectly fine, I just keep them away from deep water LOL. I have a lot of pieds, all of them seem to feed fine.
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    World of Ball Pythons has a picture of a scaleless ball python. Scaleless is found in several other species, too.

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