Is this a normal Clown or a pastel Clown?

[Lana's_mom]

I am posting for a friend of mine. But he is wondering if this is a normal Clown or a Pastel Clown. Thanks

[MorphMaster]

The color seems to throw me off, but the head pattern says the pastel gene is on play there

[TheSnakeGeek]

yeah.. it looks like a pastel clown. just a really really browned out one. not a good pastel.

[Ryan Chin]

looks lower quality (browned out) pastel clown to me. Picture is bad quality but you can see on the snake where it is bright and where it used to be brighter maybe a few sheds ago. On the other hand if it is an older snake that is to be somewhat expected. IMO you can tell it is pastel from the pattern on it, very funky and busy for a clown, also look at those keyholes. You can kind of see a good example of clown spotting (some are very busy some are very clean) vs the pastel pattern influence in this snake.

[BCBallPythons]

Im saying reduced pattern Clown


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[TheSnakeGeek]

either way, i wouldnt pay pastel clown price for it.

[Lana's_mom]

ok, thanks everyone. Its around 400 grams, from what he said.

[Pythonfriend]

if you take a gene (like pastel) into a recessive project, all line breeding efforts will be 75% annihilated! Thats the trouble with line-bred nice reduced gene XY, if its not genetic taking it into a recessive project will destroy it.

Nice single-gene pastels do turn ugly if you work with them like you would with any other gene, like, GHI or so. I mean, line-bred genes are nice as long as you line-breed them, but when you buy and breed them and then even combine them with other genes..... it all goes away, and what stays are the genes. Thats normal, pick the most beautiful pastels, combine them, and what you get is.... pastel, nothing more, because NOTHING that can be gained from line-breeding translates into combos.

so, you say a nice pastel turned into just pastel just by taking it into a recessive project? NO S°°°... I MEAN NO SOLITUDE SHERLOCK HOLMES. Its got 75% clown genetics and 25% of the original pastel genetics, at best, all line-breeding is gone, its in the 75% of hets and pastel hets and so on. Just not in this snake.

Now is it a clown pastel or a clown? Im not sure. But dont be surprised if it is JUST a clown pastel, without any fancyness bred into the pastel beforehand. Pastel turns poopy once you cease line-breeding and work on combos. Why are so many "bad" pastels hidden in combos? Absence of incest and line-breeding, thats all. It is at least a clown, possibly a pastel clown, all i can say is that its definitively a clown.

And ignore all people that compare good pastel to bad pastel. It is pastel, or it is not. It is not possible to take a nice line-bred reduced light bright pastel into any recessive combos, not even if it is a jungle pastel or pastel jungle or lemon pastel. 75% will be gone when moving it into clown, or any other recessive.

[LadyOhh]

Pastel Clown

[satomi325]

Pastel Clown.
You can tell by the head markings.


Kurt, I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.....