Next: Lesser vs Butter

[mechnut450]

I am hopnigo t goto the show next month to get one or the other lol.. I can only hope t ofind one ata do able deal. ( i have a heart failure if I can get one of each that bea dream deal.) I may havea mojave befoer the show just waiting on theguy to le me know what he hatches out.

[NorthernRegius]

I like them both, I would base my decision on a specific animal. There are good and bad of both.

I couldn't decide so I waited for nice examples... I got a Woma Lesser female & I'm waiting on my Hypo Butter male... just pick the best looking (to you) animal & you'll be happy.

[Haydenphoto]

I'm almost positive lesser is a separate gene, so the only way you can get one is from a mommy or daddy lesser

oh but, I like the green a lot too, so I would say lesser

Yes it is but to be honest it's really hard to tell a lesser and a butter ! At the tinley show the butters and the lessers looked so much alike i was kinda shocked .

[OhhWatALoser]

Yes it is but to be honest it's really hard to tell a lesser and a butter ! At the tinley show the butters and the lessers looked so much alike i was kinda shocked .

thats because their the same morph, call it different lines if you want.

im not reading all 9 pages, but has anyone already stated this? Theirs examples of each that look pretty close to the same thing. they both make the same super, every combo can look the same using similar looking butter/lesser. there nothing suggesting that they are different morphs, not even diluted versions of the morphs like mojave, phantom, ect.

to answer your poll, look at the animal, not the morph name

[Kylie]

Since I own a pair of Lessers I will vote Lessers, BUT I am new to the ball seen and like everything... I have recently seen a Butter Pin and loved it so who knows...

[Haydenphoto]

thats because their the same morph, call it different lines if you want.

im not reading all 9 pages, but has anyone already stated this? Theirs examples of each that look pretty close to the same thing. they both make the same super, every combo can look the same using similar looking butter/lesser. there nothing suggesting that they are different morphs, not even diluted versions of the morphs like mojave, phantom, ect.

to answer your poll, look at the animal, not the morph name

I would have to agree i just didn't want everybody to jump down my throat for saying it ! ! ! !

[vapour]

It was a hard choise for me too. At the Sacramento show there were lessers that looked like creamy mojaves and some that were similar to butters. In the end I went with a Butter Bee, I already have a yearling Mojave breeding so by the time my Butter Bee is ready I should have a cinny mojave or a mojave yellowbelly male to breed to her.

I also plan on getting a lesser at somepoint, I'd like to breed a lesser to a YB

[adam_degel]

they seem to be very similar but lesser reigns supreme to me!

[lesserlover]

Butters are less expensive than what some has stated. Ralph Davis was recently selling one for 500. I believe it is posted on the recent availability list he posted to his site. If you ever hope to produce a platty, I would go with a lesser. That is not to say that you will produce one given the fact that the riddle gene is very complex. Besides that, check out Ralphs video on his super bright lesser or butter. Either snake, sure thing. You might want to purchase a female while you're at it. The more lessers/butters/mojaves you have, the more likely you are to produce Bels. Pick up a. Fire and a lemonback

[Russ Lawson]

If you ever hope to produce a platty, I would go with a lesser. That is not to say that you will produce one given the fact that the riddle gene is very complex.

What makes you say this? Ralph has even made platties with butters. There is no reason anyone else would specifically need a lesser to get them. I'm convinced something similar can be made with mojaves and Russo hets as well. Also, it is looking more and more like the platty gene is actually not very complicated at all. Randy Remington explained in another thread that it appears to be another mutation allelic to the rest of the Blue-eyed leucistic gene, which is typically hidden, but when paired with one of the other genes from the complex, it results in a sort of hypomelanism. This theory makes a lot of sense if you look at Ralph's breeding records with the platinum gene.