Well Bad news first, I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong with the rat and mouse breeding so I went back to petco to ask some questions.
Come to find out I was right about the "breeder" steralizing the mice and rats befor selling. I dont know how but I do know it is true. The would breed but nothing would happen.
So on to the good news... I'm heading out the door right now to pick up a butt load of proven breeder rats form a local woman who over heard my talk with the rodent guy a PC, she is giving me as much as I need to start breeding. I will post pics as soon as I get home.