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    And the cinnamon/Brown looking one is an agouti
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    Red Eyed Champagne - Male

    The one in the middle...


    Here without the top on... again he's the one in the middle...


    Pics don't show his color well, but in natural light he is kinda v e r y light greyish beige.
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    Re: Rats - Colors and Coat Markings

    Quote Originally Posted by extremeballs View Post
    Red Eyed Champagne - Male

    The one in the middle...


    Here without the top on... again he's the one in the middle...


    Pics don't show his color well, but in natural light he is kinda v e r y light greyish beige.
    Cool looking Champagne.
    Champagnes are caused by the Pink Eyed Dilution though. It's hard to see the eyes in the pic, but are they a lighter bright red (Pink Eyed) or darker red, almost maroon (Red Eyed)?
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    Re: Rats - Colors and Coat Markings

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    OK, I got some pics.
    Brown (Cinnamon?) Hooded:
    As Jerry said Brown = Agouti, the original color of the Norway rat.
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    Re: Rats - Colors and Coat Markings

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Chandler View Post
    Cool looking Champagne.
    Champagnes are caused by the Pink Eyed Dilution though. It's hard to see the eyes in the pic, but are they a lighter bright red (Pink Eyed) or darker red, almost maroon (Red Eyed)?
    When I was trying to find out what he was, I did a lot of research, cause everyone kept telling me he was an albino or PEW. But I could tell by his color that he wasn't and his eyes are NOT pink. They are kind of half way between pink and ruby... so red. That is one key factor. He is also best described as very light beige, so light that he almost looks white. But he actually has a couple of white markings on him as well. He has a spot between his eyes and a large mark down his back.
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    If the eyes are red then it's not a champagne because champagne is pink eyed.
    Better pics of the coat showing it's true color and or eye pictures?
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    I'll try. I was trying to get it to show up better in the earlier pics, maybe it's my camera?! Will Have to do it in the morning though...
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    So I did get some pics... most are blurry. But hopefully they will help you help me determine once and for all if I have a Champagne or not.

    This is by far the best one... you can definitely see his eyes here...


    The rest of these will help you see the effect of natural light on his coat...






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    Just found this description of Champagne:

    http://fancyrats.pbworks.com/w/page/8715181/Champagne

    By AFRMA standards the eyes should be red. And the others all say pink... so which is it. That is probably the description I read and therefore think I have a champagne. Now I am just confused.
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    I have played with the Champagne gene and never gotten a rat with red eyes. They always were pink eyed. HOWEVER - there is such thing as a dark eyed champagne.

    Dark-eyed Champagne aa B-C-D-G-mm P-rr

    It may be that this rat is a very light beige or a poor eyed champagne. Rats can have many different shades of eyes. The only way to tell would be to take apart it's lineage.
    Last edited by bokuza; 08-30-2011 at 10:49 PM.

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