Pastel Question

[Vaughnwilliams00]

just a quick question really, as there are several lines of pastel i was wondering if it was possible to mix the different lines ie lemon x blonde graziani x black pastel. i suppose what i mean is each line of pastel a different gene????

im just pondering away in my head what a graziani blonde lemon pastel would look like

[JLC]

I wish I knew the answer to this, but I'm sure one of our excellent experts will be able to help you. In the mean time...WELCOME ABOARD!!

[Adam_Wysocki]

Lines ... yes (Lemon, Blonde, Graziani, Bell, etc) ... they are all compatible.

"Black pastels" and "Cinnamon Pastels" are something different.

-adam

[Vaughnwilliams00]

so i take it that means there is the possibility of a double/tripple super pastel??

[ARamos8]

ummm, no...not pastelxpastel. Heck if that was the case, a male would NOT cost $800 - $1000. There are pastel hets for ????. That is possible like an Albino Pastel or Pastel Albino.

super pastel is the dominant product...

[ddbjdealer]

so i take it that means there is the possibility of a double/tripple super pastel??

Take a look at Graziani's site... He's made all kind of pastel crosses.

Pastel x Pastel = Super Pastel
Pastel x Cinnamon Pastel = Pewter
Cinnamon x Pewter = Silver Bullet (Actually Super Cinny/Pastel Jungle)
Super Pastel x Cinnamon Pastel = Silver Streak

It's mind boggling

The cool thing about tripple co-doms is that you can breed them to a normal and get three different visable morphs in one clutch (assuming your clutch is big enough of course).

[wolfy-hound]

What is the diference between a black pastel and a cinnamon pastel?
What is the super form of each?
w.

[JB_Orchidguy]

It's mind boggling

You can say that again! No wonder someone is producing a new morph every year. Think of the possibilities.

[ddbjdealer]

What is the diference between a black pastel and a cinnamon pastel?
What is the super form of each?
w.

They're the same mutatoin.. just different lines. And the super is a paternless black ball with a white belly.

[daniel1983]

Cinnamon Pastels and Black Pastels were believed to be the same(similar) mutations but last year Mark Mandic produced what he calls a Sterling Pastel (Super pastel cinnamon pastel) and Outback reptiles produced the Silver Streak (Super pastel black pastel). From the pictures below you can clearly see that they are different. Also, pewters produced from a black pastel x pastel breeding look different than pewters from a cinny pastel x pastel breeding. Only heaven knows what is going on with these critters I have not heard of a cinny x black breeding yet to see if a super is produced, and maybe either the sterling pastel or silver streak were sometype of fluke.....we should find out for sure this year though

Cinnamon Pastel
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/.../cinnamon.html

Super Cinny
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/gall...1138308024.jpg

Silver Bullet (Super Cinny x Super Pastel)
http://www.grazianireptiles.com/gall...1138310279.jpg

Pewter (cinnamon pastel x pastel)
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/pewter/pewter.html

Sterling Pastel (Super pastel cinnamon pastel)
http://www.ballpython.ca/images/late...g-pastel-b.jpg

Black Pastel, Pewter (black pastel x pastel) and Silver Steak(Super pastel black pastel)
http://www.pythons.com/bpastel.html