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Re: Second opinion morph ID
Originally Posted by NJ Balls
The first picture below is the normal but it has an irregular pattern which makes me think there maybe something else in there. one of the lesser pastel spiders looks like it may have something else going on too.
My guess is it's just a really nice normal but let me know what you think.
Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
I can't answer your question but I certainly understand it. That's a very non-normal looking normal.
Last edited by Homebody; 07-29-2022 at 01:58 PM.
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I don't know enough to tell you what the gene is, but the male is definitely carrying another gene. The way that the pattern moves from the circles to melting further down the body is not something you see in just butter/lesser alone.
The first baby looks to be carrying whatever gene that is for sure.
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Honestly, a lot of them have pretty funky patterns imho. While Lesser is prone to reducing the side pattern size significantly, some of the weird shapes seem like something else. My first guess would be Leopard. It can look pretty subtle in some Lessers, but in others does more funky things. Here is an example of Lesser Leopard from MM that is a pretty subtle one, but see how some of the alienheads are funky at the top or broken under the "eyes"?:
Aside from that, the colors look closer to Mystic to me, but what you see in person vs how they look on my screen may vary.
I would guess:
1. Leopard
2. Leopard Mystic Pastel
3. Lesser
4. Mystic Pastel poss Leopard
5. Queen Bee
6. Leopard Lesser Pastel Spider
7. BEL
8. BEL
I only count 8 besides the parents, so thinking you left out the plain Spider?
7.22 BP 1.4 corn 1.1 SD retic 0.1 hognose
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Hey.... This makes me feel better about what I was thinking.
I was actually leaning towards enchi or leopard with mystic as well. Cause even on the 'normal', the colors don't look quite right unless it's the lighting. And sometimes that subtle difference can be crazy...I say as I'm working on Mojave vs special enchi or fire in hatchlings. Lol
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Re: Second opinion morph ID
Looks like leopard to me. One of the tells is how Leopard not only manipulates the alien heads, but in many of the BEL complexes, it ads the dorsal striping as well.
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Re: Second opinion morph ID
Originally Posted by rlditmars
Looks like leopard to me. One of the tells is how Leopard not only manipulates the alien heads, but in many of the BEL complexes, it ads the dorsal striping as well.
Great to know! So that one I guessed possible Leopard looks like it does in fact have it, even though the side pattern isn't as funky as the other.
7.22 BP 1.4 corn 1.1 SD retic 0.1 hognose
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Re: Second opinion morph ID
I did leave out the spider what one was obvious.
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Re: Second opinion morph ID
For what it's worth, here is what I believe you have.
1. Lesser Leopard
2. Lesser Pastel Leopard
3. Lesser
4. Lesser Pastel Leopard
5. Lesser Pastel Spider
6. Lesser Pastel Leopard Spider
7. BEL
8. BEL
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