Quick question for the breeders...

[Cody]

On another forum, I've been speaking with this guy who is sure he has come across a hypo bp. He got it from his friend who got it from someone else. Blah blah blah...the odds are slim to none it's an actual hypo, and the pics he's provided does not back up his claim at all. Anyway, I brought up the fact that most morphs have clean white bellies. He came back and said that he doesn't think hypos, or most morphs, have clean white bellies. Just a handful. Now, I've looked online and found that a good chunk of morphs have white bellies. But do all of them? Is it a fairly solid characteristic of morphs? I noticed most, if not all co-dom have them, but couldn't find a lot of belly shots for recessive. I'm fairly sure albinos, pieds, and others have white bellies, but not completely sure.

Sorry, it's just one of those things that would bug me until I find out, lol.

[Adam_Wysocki]

But do all of them?

No.

Maybe Randy will post his spreadsheet for us!

-adam

[RandyRemington]

You know it, I was working on it during your edit!

Some morphs get sold as normals in pet stores from time to time but it is pretty rare. The best thing to look for with ghost would be if you can see the pattern in the shed. A good ghost should have a white/patternless shed. However non-ghosts have been known to shed clear at times too but if he sees a strong pattern in the shed now it can be eliminated from possibly being a ghost.

Bellies are interesting and sometimes hard to find pictures of so lets see if we can't refine a list here. The subject came up on kingsnake back on 12/7 and here is what I got from that and the few I've gotten to see in person or in pics:

No dark on Belly:
yellow belly (het ivory) - marked edges and yellow on the belly but not much black
homozygous albino of course
homozygous piebald
most but not all heterozygous piebalds
homozygous stripe
heterozygous calico
pastel (het and homozygous)
mojave (het and homozygous)
lesser (het and homozygous)
Vin Russo High Yellow Lemon (het and homozygous)
Fireball (het) and homozygous black-eyed leucistic

Usually dark marked Belly:
normal (although presumably some clear bellies are just normals)
het clown
het albino
het red axanthic
woma (het pearl)
spotnose (the het form)
sable (the het form)

Anyone have corrections or some of the many missing blanks to fill in? I think a complete and accurate list could be very useful.

[JASBALLS]

You know it, I was working on it during your edit!

Some morphs get sold as normals in pet stores from time to time but it is pretty rare. The best thing to look for with ghost would be if you can see the pattern in the shed. A good ghost should have a white/patternless shed. However non-ghosts have been known to shed clear at times too but if he sees a strong pattern in the shed now it can be eliminated from possibly being a ghost.

Bellies are interesting and sometimes hard to find pictures of so lets see if we can't refine a list here. The subject came up on kingsnake back on 12/7 and here is what I got from that and the few I've gotten to see in person or in pics:

No dark on Belly:
yellow belly (het ivory) - marked edges and yellow on the belly but not much black
homozygous albino of course
homozygous piebald
most but not all heterozygous piebalds
homozygous stripe
heterozygous calico
pastel (het and homozygous)
mojave (het and homozygous)
lesser (het and homozygous)
Vin Russo High Yellow Lemon (het and homozygous)
Fireball (het) and homozygous black-eyed leucistic

Usually dark marked Belly:
normal (although presumably some clear bellies are just normals)
het clown
het albino
het red axanthic
woma (het pearl)
spotnose (the het form)
sable (the het form)

Anyone have corrections or some of the many missing blanks to fill in? I think a complete and accurate list could be very useful.

Umm, Was the Question for Breeders or Wannabees^^^???

[Adam_Wysocki]

Anyone have corrections or some of the many missing blanks to fill in?

Sure do ... how much do you have on ya?

-adam

[joepythons]

You know it, I was working on it during your edit!

Some morphs get sold as normals in pet stores from time to time but it is pretty rare. The best thing to look for with ghost would be if you can see the pattern in the shed. A good ghost should have a white/patternless shed. However non-ghosts have been known to shed clear at times too but if he sees a strong pattern in the shed now it can be eliminated from possibly being a ghost.

Bellies are interesting and sometimes hard to find pictures of so lets see if we can't refine a list here. The subject came up on kingsnake back on 12/7 and here is what I got from that and the few I've gotten to see in person or in pics:

No dark on Belly:
yellow belly (het ivory) - marked edges and yellow on the belly but not much black
homozygous albino of course
homozygous piebald
most but not all heterozygous piebalds
homozygous stripe
heterozygous calico
pastel (het and homozygous)
mojave (het and homozygous)
lesser (het and homozygous)
Vin Russo High Yellow Lemon (het and homozygous)
Fireball (het) and homozygous black-eyed leucistic

Usually dark marked Belly:
normal (although presumably some clear bellies are just normals)
het clown
het albino
het red axanthic
woma (het pearl)
spotnose (the het form)
sable (the het form)

Anyone have corrections or some of the many missing blanks to fill in? I think a complete and accurate list could be very useful.

The few things i did see thats wrong is thier is no such thing as a het pastel.Also no such thing as het majove.I also do not think lessers are hets either.I am not trying to be rude.

[daniel1983]

Everyone quit quoting that awfully long post....j/k...

Some morphs get sold as normals in pet stores from time to time but it is pretty rare.

Hey Jas....I heard some crazy rumor that you even picked up a spotnose from Petco..whats the deal with that?

[Adam_Wysocki]

The few things i did see thats wrong is thier is no such thing as a het pastel.Also no such thing as het majove.I also do not think lessers are hets either.I am not trying to be rude.

Don't worry Randy should be used to it by now.

Watch out ... he's going to drop some mad science on you! ... LOL

Let er rip Randy!

-adam

[Adam_Wysocki]

i got 2 pics of a ghost. here they are:

I know your intentions are good, but posting copyrighted material is not only a violation of the terms of service of this site, but a federal crime.

Next time, a link would be much better ... at least it gives the actual owner of the animal a little bit of credit.



-adam

[mr~python]

oh my gosh. that is just rediculous that i know more about genetics then randy and im 13! i wish i coulda got here first so you guys could see a 13 year old rip him apart. maybe next time