Help identifying hatchlings

[nikkubus]

This one kind of throwing me off too

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Okay, this picture I can see the head clearly as well as the pattern better. I am thinking butter pastel super pinstripe because the head is super blushed out. The double dose of pin is thinning the stripes out more, forcing that square shape more to the point it's erasing the lines between in places, but you can still see where butter rounds out the tops just slightly.

[Santiago6621]

And your right about the black pastel butter pin, I don't know how I missed that

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[nikkubus]

Sorry, I had started typing up my post before I saw your post with the two together. I had only seen the original pictures and the second set.

[Santiago6621]

All good. I appreciate the help. I'll post pics after the shed, should be a few days

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[Santiago6621]

Here's one of the ones I needed help identifying after shed. What's throwing me off is how very light he is

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[nikkubus]

I had expected him to darken up a little after shed but he really didn't. Perhaps your spider pin is pastel also and you didn't know, and this guy is butter super pastel pin? You wanna post pics of parents? Did the one we think has super pin stay really light too?

Edit: Oh and how was your pastel ratio in the clutch overall? Might give us some clues.

[Santiago6621]

I'm going to say 7 out of 12 have pastel. I did consider having another pastel in the mix for the parents but I wouldn't think its from the mother she is dark and I've bred her before with no surprises. Here are the pics of the parents. Was thinking the father could be super pastel.

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[nikkubus]

Actually, she is quite a bit lighter than my pin and keep in mind pastel can fade a lot with age. Even if father was super pastel, there is no way to get a super pastel baby from just him because it has to get one gene from each parent. If mom has been bred to non-pastel males without producing pastels it might be some other weird things going on though. Out of 12 eggs, you would expect 9/12 to have pastel if mom did have pastel, otherwise 6/12... so it's not too far off either direction.

If it were me what I would probably end up doing unless you want to hold him back is sell as single pastel and make a note in the description that due to lightness you think there is a small chance he might be super. Holding him back and breeding to a non pastel you should find out pretty easy because if he is super every single hatchling should have pastel.

[Santiago6621]

I bred her 2 yrs ago to a super Mojave and got a clutch of 8. None of the hatchlings had pastel all just had variations of spider, Mojave, or pinstripe so I'm quite positive she doesn't have anything else in her. She was also a breeder before I got her and they were pretty sure she is just a spinner. What are the chances of a recessive being in there like ghost? I'm still waiting on a few more hatchlings that are very bright to shed will post when they do

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[nikkubus]

A recessive is a real possibility. Odds wise it would make sense too if that's what's going on with the other really light one.