Help identifying hatchlings

[Santiago6621]

Hello all, I bred a spider/pinstripe to a black pastel/pastel/butter/pinstripe and got some hatchlings I'm having a hard time identifying. I'll post pics once I figure it out

[jmcrook]

Hello all, I bred a spider/pinstripe to a black pastel/pastel/butter/pinstripe and got some hatchlings I'm having a hard time identifying. Any ideas? They are light in color.
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[Santiago6621]

Thanks I'll do that

[Santiago6621]

Here's 3 I can't identify. They are very bright

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[nikkubus]

1. pastel super pinstripe, probably butter, unlikely spider or black pastel
2. black pastel butter pastel (Black pastel and butter are working together to morph alienheads into donuts, pastel + black pastel are bringing silvery tones)
3. pastel pinstripe butter (Head is extremely blushed so I believe butter + pastel, no spider or black pastel because they would change pattern enough to see)

First I am iffy on because I can't see the head in that pic and this young, the colors aren't very developed. That first shed can make a huge difference so I would wait till they shed to decide for sure on that one. If you want to post some more pics after shed and get me a few different angles (at least one showing head) on that first one I can try to help you narrow it down better.

[Santiago6621]

There's the head on the first one. I agree thought it was a black pastel, pastel, butter but the silver color throwing me off. On the 3rd pick I though emperor pin like you said but I hatched another one of those and it's alot darker. Then that one you said is pastel super pin really throwing me off. I'll add photo of the other pastel butter pin I have. Also, I was going to wait till after the shed but got a little antsy lol

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[Santiago6621]

And I'll definitely post after they shed

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[Santiago6621]

This one kind of throwing me off too

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[nikkubus]

This is the one I wanted to see the head on.

The new one you posted has black pastel in there modifying the side pattern, really fighting hard with pinstripe. I don't think it has pastel in there, I think the butter is what's causing the blushing just below the dorsal. I would expect it to be a lot more silvery rather than bronzey with pastel in the mix and have more severe head blushing. Take a peek at some black pastel butter pinstripe or black pastel lesser pinstripe and see if you can see what I mean with the pattern. It sort of mashes all the alienheads together into a long bubbly-curvy thing when it's competing with pinstripe, which wants to sort of square them up to produce thin lines between them. Emperors, by contrast, still have some amount of separation between the alienheads for the most part, but the butter makes the top of them pretty wiggly where in a normal pin it's nice and square. I hope I'm doing okay describing what I'm seeing.

[Santiago6621]

So the one you wanted to see the head is the same as the one pictured with the 2 hatchling together. These are the same 2 snakes.

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