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    Re: Future pairings, thoughts and discussion. (everyone)

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Effler View Post
    Hello everyone!


    She is a BEL (Less/moj) and he is a banana (male maker), Mojave, Black Pastel.

    I don't know if she has any hidden genetics because I got her 3-4th handed and that's all they knew. Could be interesting when I get my first clutch in 2 years lol




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    Its difficalt for the best breeders to know what other morphs are in a Bel. The Lesser mojave is quite predictable, but the black pastel would only be proved with breeding out in my opinion. As for any other hidden genetics, its possible as the Bel's whiteness hides other morphs.
    One way that you can try and see other morph patterns it to shine a UV light on it. That sometimes shows other hidden Morph patterns.
    Breeding out to a normal is the best way though.

    New to ball pythons but not breeding snakes, so other members please contradict freely or advise further.
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    Re: Future pairings, thoughts and discussion. (everyone)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Its difficalt for the best breeders to know what other morphs are in a Bel. The Lesser mojave is quite predictable, but the black pastel would only be proved with breeding out in my opinion. As for any other hidden genetics, its possible as the Bel's whiteness hides other morphs.
    One way that you can try and see other morph patterns it to shine a UV light on it. That sometimes shows other hidden Morph patterns.
    Breeding out to a normal is the best way though.

    New to ball pythons but not breeding snakes, so other members please contradict freely or advise further.
    Sounds right. I am fairly certain of the black pastel due to how brown my banana is. He just shed so I should get some fresh pics. The black pastel typically increases the banana freckles but the Mojave suppresses them so itís hard to tell on that note, not to mention he is still young and from what I understand the freckles increase with age. I can see a few small ones on him now.

    Here is more pics of my boy





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    I have a male bel (moj/les) and am curious on what some good pairings ideas would be for him in the future for breeding.

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    Re: Future pairings, thoughts and discussion. (everyone)

    I must have missed this thread because it started when I was absolutely slammed with pairing my adults and getting all my sub-adults upgraded to adult enclosures. There are two main projects I'm working on right now with BP's. Making darker panda pieds with less issues using suma cinnamon instead of super cinny/black pastel is one that I'm in the very early stages of. Justin certainly beat me to the punch and has produced them already, but I imagine that as hard as they are to produce, they will continue to be in high demand for a very long time. The other is to try out some different YB complex acts-like-supers with banana enchi. Some of my girls in the second project have morphs in the blue eyed lucy complex also, and it will be interesting to see what those add to the mix as well. I have lots of ideas on the back burner sticking with those for now.


    Quote Originally Posted by BEL View Post
    I have a male bel (moj/les) and am curious on what some good pairings ideas would be for him in the future for breeding.
    My top choice around $600 or less to pair with a male moj/les BEL would be a banana enchi. You would have a chance first generation clutches to get 3-gene combos that look pretty stunning. If you are trying to pick up an already mature female, you choices are going to be pretty limited and you may not find that available, certainly not for that price.

    If you want something you can get a running start with by picking up a mature female, a pinstripe or pastel pinstripe might be a much easier one to obtain that still would produce pretty nice results without spending a fortune.

    It's certainly not the most exciting thing in the world to hatch, but pairing him with any of the blue eyed lucy complex morphs in het form should give you %50 BEL, which seem to be pretty in demand lately. Maybe a bamboo because those are one of the better looking hets that sell for more?

    If you are just getting started I wouldn't go pairing him to 4-6 different females because it's a lot to manage your first time, I'd stick with 1-2 to get your feet wet.


    Wish everyone awesome results this year, I'm super excited to start hatching out soon and see how I faired with odds!
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