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    Re: Help! Is chronic prolapse a good reason to euthanize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugsplox View Post
    Yea it can be incredibly hard to find someone who specializes in reptiles. Even though the hobby is huge (in my opinion) now, I think the further you get from the big cities the harder it is to find someone that can take care of your pet.

    I know this isn't what anyone wants to hear, but it may be worth considering a different pet. I only say that because this is what I would consider an emergency situation, and I would hate for you to have to euthanize Ziti, get another BP, and then have another emergency, only for that to be your only option again because there's no vets anywhere near you that are capable of doing anything else.

    That's just my opinion though and I don't want to cause you more stress during an already stressful time. Just something to think about.
    I think this is a bit of a double edged sword. If everyone who ran into this issue gave up on reptiles entirely, we wouldn't have quality reptile vets at all because there just wouldn't have been enough momentum of demand for it to get where it is today. I think it comes down to each individual's decision of whether or not they want to take the risk and deal with the heartbreak when complicated situations arise that are beyond the scope of the vets in the area. Certainly the need for surgeries for non-breeding animals aren't commonplace in BP's, but it does happen. As much as I wish for every animal to have top care and the best technology available to their owners, the technology only continues to improve with the demand, which requires that some people brave things as they are while progress is being made. I'm not suggesting we just act carelessly and try to keep animals way past our means, but as someone who got in a long time ago and lived through a lot of the stage of toughing it out without quality reptile vets available anywhere, I see the merit it being willing to push the envelope a little. Just my 2c, and I certainly respect where you are coming from.
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    Re: Help! Is chronic prolapse a good reason to euthanize?

    Quote Originally Posted by nikkubus View Post
    I think this is a bit of a double edged sword. If everyone who ran into this issue gave up on reptiles entirely, we wouldn't have quality reptile vets at all because there just wouldn't have been enough momentum of demand for it to get where it is today. I think it comes down to each individual's decision of whether or not they want to take the risk and deal with the heartbreak when complicated situations arise that are beyond the scope of the vets in the area. Certainly the need for surgeries for non-breeding animals aren't commonplace in BP's, but it does happen. As much as I wish for every animal to have top care and the best technology available to their owners, the technology only continues to improve with the demand, which requires that some people brave things as they are while progress is being made. I'm not suggesting we just act carelessly and try to keep animals way past our means, but as someone who got in a long time ago and lived through a lot of the stage of toughing it out without quality reptile vets available anywhere, I see the merit it being willing to push the envelope a little. Just my 2c, and I certainly respect where you are coming from.
    No I 100% agree with what you're saying, and I don't mean to come off as if I'm trying to push anyone away from keeping reptiles, like you said it's just up to each individual to decide if they want to take on that risk. I had that conversation with myself years ago over my first BP, and then when I got back into the hobby I had it again. You also made a really good point as far as if people just give up when there isn't a reptile vet in the area, the demand for a reptile vet disappears, and then you have no vet lol.

    I think my opinion is influenced a lot by the amount of people that post on here with, what I would consider, major medical issues that need to be addressed by a vet, and then when we all tell them that they say "the closest vet is 12 hours away so I can't." It just bums me out a little, and for me, I'd rather not have the animal than bring it to a place that I can't get it help if something happens.

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    Re: Help! Is chronic prolapse a good reason to euthanize?

    Just a thought but do you feed f/t? If so inject the feeder with a bit of flaxseed oil. It should pass straight through, won't harm the snake, and should help any solid waste slide out more easily. If your snake doesn't have to strain as much to eliminate waste that may help it stop prolapsing.

    I have a retic that had the surgery and she's fine years later.

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    I currently have a snake that has a cancerous tumor in his tail, close to his cloaca. Surgery is not an option due to how close it is to the cloaca.

    I had my lizard seen by an AMAV vet, he was terrible lol. I have a Merauke bts, and he was debating with me that I had a northern. Two different lizards that need opposite husbandry requirements. Needless to say, I never went back. In my experience, you never really know if you have a vet who knows his of her stuff until after speaking with them in person and getting your pet examined.

    I don't know where you are. I can recommend my vet if you live in South FL. Otherwise, for a problem like this, the vet should perform a physical exam, x-rays and ultrasound if necessary to see if it's a tumor that is causing such problems. It seems like your snake is having trouble pushing poop out, and if it is hydrated already, it could be a tumor or a mass near the cloaca/intestinal area causing the difficulty of pushing, which could cause the prolapse. That is what I'm expecting from my own snake: the mass grows too big, causing him to push too hard and prolapse, then I will put him to sleep. But for your situation, there may still be hope, especially it seems you don't feel any obvious lump (It could be very small).

    Not much can be done until x-rays are done. It's terrible to go through this. When I adopted my first bearded dragon, all my excitement turned into sadness after I find out she had been gravely ill, and I had to put her down. The shock, anger and sadness stopped me from getting another beardie for a year until I got Aegon, who unfortunately recently was pts due to cancer. I understand the pain of not knowing what to do, and the anger and frustration of how little that can be done, but don't give up. Whatever happens, I hope this doesn't deter you from owning more reptiles.

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    That's a great suggestion I will definitely try that! I do feed her f/t hoppers that I have been injecting with warm water to keep her hydrated, but I will definitely give that a shot this Thursday when I feed her again.

    Although I am sad and frustrated that petco produced such a genetic mess that I adopted and fell in love with, I don't plan to give up on my love for reptiles. I hope that I can nurse her back to health but if I comes down to me having to euthanize her I will definitely be in the market for another baby bp, hopefully from someone who knows what they are doing.
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